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[silerpetalz]

is it islamicly to post babi pics of self even if you observe the hijaab?

[dogger]

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If you wana know by islamic Law(as long as i know).....then it is even haram to make a picture(you may get sum exception like for passport or some other legal documents)and post with hijaab or without is out of question(In my opinion)

[Mr_Fraudia]

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it is only haram to post yer pics if you are ugly :)

[Mr_Fraudia]

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oh yeah...aside from the pun, let me bust out some knowledge on you.

if your question is about the 'legaility' of pics itself then it dunn matter whether its a kid pic or a teenage pic, some people like the esteemed gentleman above seem to be of the viewpoint that pics are haraam. in my view pics are only haram if you start worshipping them :)

Now if you are not one of those pl who have a fundamental issue with pictures thsmselves and then have a question about posting baby pics. The last time i checked babies were not supposed to be doing hijab and all. I mean really we even bundle up lil girls in hijab but there is no need to even if you are a hijab observer.

now the pics mustr be tasteful, not of a naked kid taking a piss or sitting on the crapper...and thats less religious POV but more of aesthetics and civility :)

[Sadiyah]

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1. I don’t think those who haven’t reach puberty have to observe hijab.

2. There are two views about whether or not to take pictures. This topic’s been discussed umpteenth times, but unfortunately I couldn’t find the previous threads. Perhaps someone else can share’em if they can find them.

**1st view - Strictly against taking pictures of humans and other creatures possessing soul. **

Praise be to Allaah. 

The basic principle concerning making pictures of any animate being, whether it is a human or any animal, is that it is haraam, whether the pictures are three-dimensional or are drawn on paper, cloth or walls, etc., or are photographs (taken with a camera), because of the reports in the saheeh ahaadeeth which state that that is not allowed, and threaten the one who does that with a painful torment, and because they may lead to shirk in the form of standing respectfully before them, humbling oneself before them, drawing close to them and venerating them in a manner that is only befitting for Allaah. They are also forbidden because this is a kind of trying to match the creation of Allaah, and because of the temptation inherent in some of them, such as pictures of actresses and naked women, and so-called beauty queens. 

Among the ahaadeeth which state that this is haraam and that it is a major sin is the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said, “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘Whoever makes an image in this world will be told to breathe the soul into it on the Day of Resurrection, and he will never be able to do that.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim). He [Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him)] also narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every image-maker will be in the Fire, and every image that he made will be made to appear to him and will torment him in Hell.” Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “If you must do that, then make trees and things that have no soul.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim). The general meaning of the ahaadeeth is that it is absolutely forbidden to make images of anything that has a soul. 

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/456-457 

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said, when he was asked about pictures: making pictures for this purpose is haraam and is not permitted. That is because making pictures for memories is haraam, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “The angels do not enter any house in which there is an image,” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, Bid’ al-Khalq, 2986), and whatever the angels do not enter had no goodness in it. 

Fataawa Manaar al-Islam, 3/759 

Ref: Taking pictures for memories

More detailed one: Ruling on photographs
2nd view - Permits it with some restrictions

Al-Salâm `Alaykum wa Rahmah Allah wa Barakâtuh.

Please understand that photography did not exist at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Therefore, scholars have to compare photography to matters that Islam has ruled about. The ruling, therefore, is not based on an explicit text but on juristic discretion (ijtihâd).

Some scholars have compared photography to hand-drawn pictures. Drawing pictures by hand of people and animals is unlawful by clear and unambiguous textual evidence. Ibn `Abbâs relates from the Prophet (peace be upon him): “Whoever makes an image in this world, he will be requested to breathe life into it on the Day of Resurrection, but he will not be able to do it.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahih Mulsim]

Ibn Mas`ûd also relates that he heard the Prophet (peace be upon him) say: “The severest penalty on the Day of Resurrection will be given to image makers.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahih Mulsim]

Photography resembles drawing pictures in that it is a human effort that results in a fixed image of a person or an animal on a flat surface. Therefore, some scholars ruled that photographing people and animals is unlawful, because it falls under the prohibited act of image-making.

There are, however, significant differences between drawing a picture and taking a photograph. Drawing a picture is a fully creative process on the part of the artist. Photography is capturing a reflected image on film or in digital memory. The creative contribution of the photographer is therefore quite different than the creative contribution of a portrait maker. For this reason many scholars, including Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî, consider photography to be lawful.

And Allah knows best.

Ref: The difference between hand-drawn pictures & photographs

Another one: Image making, photography, and children’s toys

I’m sure others will pitch in and further clarify any stances that need to be considered.

[dogger]

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Dear....I didtnot say that I am not making pic....the point is she asked by Islamic law...then wat i told is that correct....this neither my point of view nor anybody else...that is by Islamic Law...if u donot like or me donot like that donot make any difference .

@Fraudz

oh yeah...aside from the pun, let me bust out some knowledge on you.

if your question is about the 'legaility' of pics itself then it dunn matter whether its a kid pic or a teenage pic, some people like the esteemed gentleman above seem to be of the viewpoint that pics are haraam. in my view pics are only haram if you start worshipping them :)

Now if you are not one of those pl who have a fundamental issue with pictures thsmselves and then have a question about posting baby pics. The last time i checked babies were not supposed to be doing hijab and all. I mean really we even bundle up lil girls in hijab but there is no need to even if you are a hijab observer.

now the pics mustr be tasteful, not of a naked kid taking a piss or sitting on the crapper...and thats less religious POV but more of aesthetics and civility :)

[Mr_Fraudia]

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dogger

my response was to silerpetalz and not to you so no need to take it personally. Now as far as Islamic law on pictures there are different schools of thought on it as evidenced by Sadiyahs post as well.

Indeed what you said is correct by the views of one school of thought, however presenting that as a universal fact and that that is the only religious perspective is misleading at best. I simply offered her a balanced viewpoint giving her perspectives from other schools of thought as well.

In the end if pictures are so damn haraam then why do we broadcast hajj and taraveeh during ramadan, and why do i have to see mug shots of AS class duffers like fazl e haq and qazi hussein ahmed types. aren't they the thekaydaar of islam :)

[silerpetalz]

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hey guyz no need to fight.... im kinda lost still... but thnx for all this. .. its just that im a new practicer of hejaab alhumdillila but u knoe like on msni have my babi pic on ( i am not at th point that i wud cut pics out of my life) but i am jus wonderin if i dont put on my current pic wit out hejaab den... i shudent put my babi pic on?
u knoe wut i mean?

[deedawar]

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I think making pictures for worshiping is not a good thing.

Making pictures of live animals and human being (not the islamic personalities...... hand made or whatever)
....without any sense of worshiping is alright.

Come on......the camera was not present over 1400 years ago and photos are just colorful reflections on a film or digital mirror saved on a memory chip.
The memory of a child being one/two/three or whatever year old will not hurt anyone or cause someone to worship the child!!!!!!!

No Quranic verse or hadeeth can be found to warn against that.

[silerpetalz]

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ok dat makes sumwhat sense thnx deedawar

[Sadiyah]

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@silerpetalz

hey guyz no need to fight.... im kinda lost still... but thnx for all this. .. its just that im a new practicer of hejaab alhumdillila but u knoe like on msni have my babi pic on ( i am not at th point that i wud cut pics out of my life) but i am jus wonderin if i dont put on my current pic wit out hejaab den... i shudent put my babi pic on? u knoe wut i mean?

Sis, you don't have to wear hijab prior to reaching puberty. Therefore, if you're of the opinion that pictures are okay then you shouldn't hesitate in putting your baby picture up without a hijab.

[deedawar]

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@silerpetalz

ok dat makes sumwhat sense thnx deedawar

Thanks dear.

[Uncle_Stalker]

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Agree with Fraudia & Deedawar's last post.

Things have changed, in the 1400 years of islam.

As islam spread from the Arabs, and they were the most backward and Barbaric race at that time (Please mark my words : AT THAT TIME), therefore no stone was left unturned to make sure that they do not revert back to idolry and woshipping other things, except GOD. This was done because the Arabs at the time would worship anything that took their fancy. Each tribe, every household had their OWN GOD. So the restrictions about pictures of humans and all living creatures at that time, makes perfect sense.

Now the situation has changed, Muslims, Al-hamdul illah, have come a far way and matured and know that there is just ONE GOD, and there can be no other like HIM. So the pictures or images of living things do not matter anymore (IMHO). If someone wants to revert back to idolry, why would he bother about making a picture ? Why cant he / she just start Pooja of the live creature itself ? ...

My dear brothers and sisters, I think there is something called as IJTEHAAD. Maybe my more informed colleagues on this forum will be able to explain it in more simple words. This is the method by which we judge what is good and bad, based on the BASIC fundamental principals given to us by Hazrat Mohammad Mustafa (SAW). If we dont follow that, then we would be an extinct race, very soon. Because we would exhaust all the fataawa and quotes and references and wouldnt find anything that refers to by-pass surgery or a CT scan being performed on any Sahabi (just an example) and other day to day matters in this 21st century.

If I look at the picture of my son, smiling at me, with ice cream smeared all over his face, would I go through a mental revolution and Nauz o Billah, start worshipping him. Does it make sense ?

[silerpetalz]

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lol uncle
hahaahaha

[Light_Bearer]

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:) good uncle.

[P_G]

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hazrat ayesha razi alla tala nhu ik cusion laye then jis per pictures bane thee
kia un ka maqsad us picture say kuch ghalat ho sakta tha ? na woh butt tha na woh us ki ibadat ka irada rakhtee thee ..just for decoration tha

lakin App salal Allaho alyhi waslam nay itne sakhtee say danata bulkay us ko phaar diya

kahan say logics lay atay hain pictures ko jaaiz keranay ki

1400 saal pehlay camera nahi tha sirf hand made paintings thee.. lakin dono main purpos pic ko save kerna hay or isee wajha say haram hay

Ijtyhaad yehe kehlata hay kay ik cheez jo 1400 saal pehlay nahi thee to us jaysee cheez jo bhi mojjd the us ka hukam lay liya jata hay

Azan main 1400 saal pehlay tareeqa tha kanoo main ungliyan dal ker kisi oonche jagha per khara hoa jata takay AWAZ door tak jaye

loud speaker bhi yehe kam kerta ha oto ijtyhad hoa or is ko jaaiz kaha kion kay purpose same tha

1400 sal pehlay sharab bhi hand made thee ..lakin ab machine say bante hay ..lakin pehlay bhi haram the ajj bhi haram hay or qyamat tak haram hay

ik cheez ki shakl agar advance ho jaye to is us kay hukam main ferq nahi ata

sara masla yeh hay kay hum jo cheez pasand kertay hain us ko jaaiz ker kay chorain gay..ab chahay quran main kuch ho ya hadees main ..hum nay wohe kerna hay jo dil keray ga

[Light_Bearer]

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@Problem _girl

uncle stalker >

app nay sare bat logics say ke kia app kay pass koi quran hadees qayad ijtyhad ki koi daleel hay ?

hazrat ayesha razi alla tala nhu ik cusion laye then jis per pictures bane thee kis un ka maqsad us picture say kuch ghalat ho sakta tha ? na woh butt tha na woh us ki ibadat ka irada rakhtee thee ..just for decoration tha

lakin App salal Allaho alyhi waslam nay itne sakhtee say danata bulkay us ko phaar diya

kahan say logics lay atay hain pictures ko jaaiz keranay ki

sara masla yeh hay kay hum jo cheez pasand kertay hain us ko jaaiz ker kay chorain gay..ab chahay quran main kuch ho ya hadees main ..hum nay wohe kerna hay jo dil keray ga

mujhe urdu badi achi tarah aati hai... but to be polite to others on the forum i would appreciate if you would write down in the common langauge on the forum.

thanx for understanding

[Umer579]

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@Uncle Stalker

Agree with Fraudia & Deedawar's last post.

Things have changed, in the 1400 years of islam.

As islam spread from the Arabs, and they were the most backward and Barbaric race at that time (Please mark my words : AT THAT TIME), therefore no stone was left unturned to make sure that they do not revert back to idolry and woshipping other things, except GOD. This was done because the Arabs at the time would worship anything that took their fancy. Each tribe, every household had their OWN GOD. So the restrictions about pictures of humans and all living creatures at that time, makes perfect sense.

Now the situation has changed, Muslims, Al-hamdul illah, have come a far way and matured and know that there is just ONE GOD, and there can be no other like HIM. So the pictures or images of living things do not matter anymore (IMHO). If someone wants to revert back to idolry, why would he bother about making a picture ? Why cant he / she just start Pooja of the live creature itself ? ...

My dear brothers and sisters, I think there is something called as IJTEHAAD. Maybe my more informed colleagues on this forum will be able to explain it in more simple words. This is the method by which we judge what is good and bad, based on the BASIC fundamental principals given to us by Hazrat Mohammad Mustafa (SAW). If we dont follow that, then we would be an extinct race, very soon. Because we would exhaust all the fataawa and quotes and references and wouldnt find anything that refers to by-pass surgery or a CT scan being performed on any Sahabi (just an example) and other day to day matters in this 21st century.

If I look at the picture of my son, smiling at me, with ice cream smeared all over his face, would I go through a mental revolution and Nauz o Billah, start worshipping him. Does it make sense ?

For your last paragraph: :D
And also, I agree with you 100%%%%%%%%.. Good use of sane mind and knowledge. Let's get out of this picture crap and worry about main issues like poverty, education and respect for parents and our society in Islamic ways.

Umer

[deedawar]

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Innamal Aamaal-o- Binniyaat.