PIA planes to be banned from Europe

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Looks like it has started even before the decision of EU;

http://www.dawn.com/2007/02/28/nat3.htm

Restrictions force PIA to suspend Frankfurt flight

By Our Staff Reporter
ISLAMABAD, Feb 27: Germany on Tuesday asked Pakistan International Airlines to stop flying most of its aircraft to German Airports, almost a week before the European Union takes a final decision about a ban being contemplated by the EU on the airline.

German authorities have asked PIA management to operate only Boeing 777 aircraft in and out of Germany, the airline’s spokesman confirmed on Tuesday.

PIA, which operates two flights to Frankfurt from Islamabad and one each from Peshawar and Lahore using A-310 carriers, appears to have been caught unprepared.

PK 761, which was to fly from Islamabad to Frankfurt on Tuesday was instead flown to Istanbul after the German decision and passengers were transferred to another airline for carrying them onwards to Frankfurt.

The EU plans to ban all but seven aircraft in PIA fleet because of safety concern, with the recently acquired Boeing 777s escaping the restrictions.

PIA had been on EU watch-list since September 2006, which had asked the airline to undertake a remedial plan for addressing the systemic safety deficiencies within the given deadline.

An EU delegation led by Federico G*****ni, European Commission’s Air Safety Administrator, had visited Pakistan earlier this month to assess the remedial measures and had spoken to both Civil Aviation Authority and PIA on the issue. The meeting was followed by CAA and PIA officials visit to Brussels, but failed to convince the EU officials.

The basic objections of EU pertain to absence of a proper quality control system in the airline and its failure to rectify the faults that had been identified earlier.

Mr G*****ni had told Dawn from Brussels that the findings had been sent to the commission which will take a formal decision only after consultation of the European Parliament in about 10 days.

However, the German authorities imposed the restrictions much earlier than a final decision by the EU. No explanations have been given by German authorities.


Maybe this is the only way of grabbing PIA attention to remedy the safety and quality issues. Normally where the slap on the hand doesn’t work kick on the butts does.

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PIA isnt ****, Pakistanis are.

Eat that you **** eating **** heads.

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Light Bearer,

Let me ask you this if you don't mind. A year or so ago, PIA used to have a direct flight from Lahore to Houston (Bush Int'l Airport). The flight used to land in Manchester for re-fueling and then straight to Houston, Texas. Is it true that Manchester authorities weren't happy with PIA's safey which led to the cancellation of the entire flight from Lhr. to Houston?
Regards,
Umer

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lol why is the name Mr G*****ni being censored on GS?

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I am glad this happened to PIA

This will finally get PIA to clean up its act.

The airline is a disgrace to Pakistan

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Umer579,

Let me ask you this if you don't mind. Why are you asking this question from me? If the flight was cancelled on safety grounds then there is no argument what so ever. I say good job.

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Pakistan is still using Airbus A-300 & A-310 … they are only used by fuqree airlines … Pakistan should dump most of those old 300s & 310s or make them cargo & buy 340s or 360s for passenger flights.

Airbus 360

Its one of the latet offered by airbus and is two steps ahead of Boeing 777 in all senses. PIA officials are only buying 777 because big shots in PIA are getting millions in commissions. Buying Boeing is not good for our nation or PIA itself.

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But the worst decision PIA made was to get 747-300s from Cathay pacific, old used decaying planes. Again another example of corruption. PIA should have bought four new 747-400s insteading of getting 7 - 747-300s from Cathay Pacific.

Bad stretagy.

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What a shameful situation we find ourselves in

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=45059

The EU, after giving various shades of warnings to PIA, has decided to do what was writ large on the wall, to stop all but seven PIA aircraft from landing in 27 EU countries. As a completely non-partisan serving PIA employee, let me state without any pressure, influence or interest as to what the problem is with PIA. The problem begins with the political parties that when they are in power induct hundreds (actually thousands) of their incompetent favourites (as if PIA were their personal fiefdom) into the regular service of the airline.

The EU story is simple. For the past two years the EU has been pointing out specific flaws in PIA’s aircraft and operations. Much of this was never seriously investigated by PIA, till they received a ‘stop operation’ warning some four months back. Even after receiving this warning, PIA never seriously took to fixing these problems on a permanent basis. Instead they were more in the process of begging and appeasing the EU to let them carry on. Now the newspapers are suggesting that our president will be talking to the EU to let PIA continue to operate in Europe. There can be no better example of a student sending his parents to beg his teacher for grace marks, instead of focusing on his own subjects.

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PIA never bothered to listen to customers, or market forces, just depending on the patriotic feelings of expats while providing ****ty service, crappy planes, and an attitude as if they were doing the passengers a favour by flying them..

let them rot. those who refuse to change based on the needs and requirements are bound to be step aside or go the way of the dodo.

bye losers

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I had the best experience with the Ettihad Airlines. A brand new national airline of UAE - Abudhabi to be more specific. During the peak time, a direct flight from NY to Abudhabi was only 1100 dollars( they may have increased their rates). I personally thought Ettihad airwyas was better than Emirates maybe because of the cost and modern newer equipments. Come on who cannot be impressed by the built in video game system :D. When i travelled from Abudhabi to Pakistan, I can't believe how tactfully the Air hostesses handled our lower class Pakistanis. Did I mention Ettihad has gorgeous looking Air hostesses? More reasons to fly Ettihad. :D
No offense, bhar mein jayay PIA, most of the executives are corrupt and absolutely have no incentive to provide quality service to their own people. They take us for granted.

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Did I mention Ettihad has gorgeous looking Air hostesses?
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hey hoi na baat! cheetah hai tu sherry, dil ki baat kar deta hai humesha!

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Because it has the word r*a*n*d*i in the middle.:)

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haha yeah i actually figured that out... just wanted to point it out my friend

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So if PIA goes down the crapper, whats going to take its place? Are we to have no proper national carrier?
Heard they were privitizing the damned thing... Maybe that will improve the situation.

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Bhai we have a stupid system with PIA. It reports to the Defence Ministry because its responsibilities include war time back up for PAF for people lift purposes. The entire thing is ****ed up from top to bottom.

What we need is a private spinoff for the commercial and international routes and a dedicated govt funded airline for unpopular routes and defence backup.

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Najim Sahib,

The A360 photo you show here is actually a photoshopped A340. The Superjumbo is the A-380 but it is mired in problems as some of its customers have cancelled/delayed delivery of the aircraft. Moreover discussion on dedicated airline boards such as historyofpia.com and airliners.net seems to suggest that buying the 777-ER/LR was actually a very good idea as these are technologically sound aircraft.

The problem is not using very old aircraft as Biman flies a DC10-30 and many other airlines are using 737-200s in the EU besides cold war era Ilyushins and Tupolevs, the problem seems to be in the PIA engineering department which it seems has gone downhill due in part to the hiring of Air Marshalls from the airforce to executive positions, gross nepotism which has alienated much of the PIA old guard. On top of this it seems Tariq Kirmani, the current PIA CEO is not good at his job.

I agree about PIA’s blunder in buying the Cathay PAcific 747-300s which were initially acquired on dry lease. PIA should have leased/bought a mixture of 747-400 or 777-200 along with A330s/A-340s.

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While I agree with what you have posted, I dont think that PIA was ever run as an effective organization, atleast not since I have been looking at it.

I dont think that the alienated old guard was all that great either. One group of incompetent clowns replaced by another set of incompetent clowns.

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Oh absolutely they were not very efficient before either. PIA has had one of the highest staff to aircraft ratio in the World for quite a while. What I meant was that before some departments like engineering were really good so as is said in Urdu chall chalao ho hee jaata thaa. We used to lend our engineers and facilities to other airlines for maintaining thier planes not too long ago. Things have deteriorated even more since then.

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Bhaee - 360 doesn't exsit :) - I was just taking the mickey out on that picture though.

340-600 is the latest one, or 380. A380 "PIA kee auqaat say bahir hay" so realistically they should consider 340s.