Peace diwana
Actually I have had enough of this conversation ... it appears to me that there is a bridge to cross between knowledge and your perspective on Sufis, one is preventing the other for that bridge to be crossed. Most of what I have said is general Islamic knowledge ... most of my exposure has been with the Athari/Salafi books, only because now I identify with the Sufis, to you everything I say is Sufi mombojumbo. (Ibn Kathir for example is not often quoted by Sufis)
I would like to say "get over it" but that would sound rude, but such an apt saying it would be don't you think?
Where does Tawbah rank with the hedonists? Surely 'guilt' is one thing that is not done for pleasure?
And if you take pleasure in this conversation then of course continue, but if you want me to continue you will have to first convince me that you are not doing it just for "kicks". There are just so many references that I can provide proving the contrary to what you have said above ... but I don't see the point anymore **... when people can argue and debate about such topics as though they are on a cereal packet or they are having a chat about a soap opera the caution here is that Islam is being reduced to popular banter rather than a sacred code for life. **I am embarassed to continue talking on this with you.
Peace to you as well brother Psyah!
Sufi-ism:
You have not given anything contrary to my understanding of popular sufi-ism sir. If I was wrong, you had all opportunity to provide contrary evidence.
To me, Sufi-ism promotes Lazy-ism.
"You said knowledge and my perspective on Sufis has a bridge! "
That is not fair. In hidden way you are saying my perspective to Sufism and their beliefs has nothing to do with knowledge? This is a blow below the belt. That is fine if you feel like doing it. I can only blame, again myself, not to make my case.
Tawbah has nothing to do with hedonism. Why ask?
As far as guilt? Do you favor this???
Isn't this the the most important teaching of one of the sect of christianity-
the Catholics?
My dear brother, islam is not about guilt.
Its about the **middle ground **which I believe and have been discussing all through this thread.
Dignity of human:
Let me say it again: There is no such thing that we should feel depressed, low, humiliated, guilty about being human. People who feel like this need treatment.
There are more reasons to be happy, elated, proud, full of vigor as well as thankful to Almighty and worship *him for his wisdom and being merciful to all mankind, to provide things or items to enjoy in this world and hereafter.
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Angels Versus human:
I have not even heard a single indisputable argument from you for angels and human comparison even though you mentioned again in the last post of yours.
I said I am open to your argument. You are still welcome to lay down that sir. Perhaps I will learn something there.
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You think I am doing this for a kick:**
Hummmmm. Where did you get this idea from???
I am willing to hear your so many references. And will be glad to answer.
I do know, there are many many misconceptions **about islam **as being the religion which promotes depression, guilt, humiliation of being human being, not open to humanly needs, not open to people's thought process...all spread by few other human being trying to control masses.
It just has never been the attitude of islam to my humble understanding.
In the end, please stick to the rules of discussing.
Don't say you are embarrassed to even talk with me.
You can say you 'feel' embarrassed to talk with me. I will be fine with that.
Always a 'pleasure' to discuss with you. And this means, I do not feel embarrassed to talk with you.
Peace again.