Can philosphical topics have religious factor and reasoning in the discussion around them? There are religious philosophies such as Islamic Philosophy and there have been a lot of such philosophers who tookk the subject and discussed in the light of the religion.
Some people argue that it is wrong to bring religion in philosophy and it must be discussed without the religion.
Thoughts?
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Can philosphical topics have religious factor and reasoning in the discussion around them? There are religious philosophies such as Islamic Philosophy and there have been a lot of such philosophers who tookk the subject and discussed in the light of the religion.
Some people argue that it is wrong to bring religion in philosophy and it must be discussed without the religion.
Thoughts?
No. Religion can encompass any philosophy and yet itself a separate philosophy.
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Islamic philosophy is seen as an innovation ... Where there are some Muslims who can simply accept it and dismiss any other philosophy ... Other Muslims developed ideas using the framework of philosophy to counter argue the points raised by philosophers ... In which respect it paved the way to the development of Ilm-ul-Kalam and logic is taught to Muslims who study this ... It is called mantiq ... It has become somewhat of a necessary innovation especially for the modern era.
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No. Religion can encompass any philosophy and yet itself a separate philosophy.
but in case of an atheist, for example, discussing a philosphical matter will never touch upon religion, hence, the argument is given that religion is not necessary for a philosphical discussion. Do such discussion encompass all areas of the subject or you do need to touch the boundaries of religion somewhere in order to present your understanding?
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Islamic philosophy is seen as an innovation ... Where there are some Muslims who can simply accept it and dismiss any other philosophy ... Other Muslims developed ideas using the framework of philosophy to counter argue the points raised by philosophers ... In which respect it paved the way to the development of Ilm-ul-Kalam and logic is taught to Muslims who study this ... It is called mantiq ... It has become somewhat of a necessary innovation especially for the modern era.
However, Ilm-ul-Kalam has created some big tragedies in the muslim world. Such as, people started denying the existence of Jinns and angels with their perceived rational logic.
I believe it is termed innovation because it affected the faith in some cases?
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However, Ilm-ul-Kalam has created some big tragedies in the muslim world. Such as, people started denying the existence of Jinns and angels with their perceived rational logic.
I believe it is termed innovation because it affected the faith in some cases?
That is the indeed the criticism for the science when applied to the rationalists, but people still apply innovation on to the Ash'aris and Maturidis for engaging in ta'weel where they prefer to avoid the matter ... To the extent of not being able to explain it when taunted by others, where those who are proficient in Ilm-ul-kalam can oust the other party with relative ease.
i'm quite comfortable in the idea that since it was adopted more or less wholesale apart from a few that it is a useful set of tools that we can use ... As long as the rules are maintained ...
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but in case of an atheist, for example, discussing a philosphical matter will never touch upon religion, hence, the argument is given that religion is not necessary for a philosphical discussion. Do such discussion encompass all areas of the subject or you do need to touch the boundaries of religion somewhere in order to present your understanding?
First we have to decide if we take the ideas of atheists as valid to even consider in this discussion!!
Just kidding! :D
Anyhow this is not true that atheists ignore religions, much of their thoughts do revolve around what religion says or religious people do, on the other hand religious people consider atheistic views either sinful, or most of religious people are happy without knowing what atheist-centered philosophy is.
OK what you might have meant that atheists have philosophical views without religion, but again, atheism itself a form of religion without concept of a deity or God.
One thing for sure, much of humanity based philosophy has come from other religions.
I do know people like Bill Maher or others bring religious scriptures which might ask for seemingly inhumane ideas, but eventually religious people do see and can see the essence of the philosophy and not what is on the surface.
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There is bound to be certain overlapping in both subjects. However, world renowned philosophers managed to keep them separate. And this is how it should be looked at.
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There is bound to be certain overlapping in both subjects. However, world renowned philosophers managed to keep them separate. And this is how it should be looked at.
However renowned Islamic Philosphers kept Islam intact with their philosophical ideas. Two great examples are of Rumi and Allama Iqbal.
In fact, if you look at Iqbal's work, it is highly dependent on Islamic scripture, such as Quran, Hadith and Islamic history.
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It's quite simple really ... Philosophy is about thinking carefully about what we aught to do in order to find the best result benefitting the most people for the longest time ... This is called wisdom. It also covers metaphysics where analogies are used in the concrete to describe matters of the abstract.
Religion such as Islam pushes us to seek knowledge ... Philosophy is a structured approach for that end. The idea is to determine the good, the bad, the right and wrong ... Whereas in Islam we are given these already, we can just use the tools to give us confidence and a means to explain our ideas to people who ask 'why' we do certain things.