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^ From what I have read so far..Hijab is a cruch to illicit some kind of favorite responses from people that hijabans come across. A more of superficial assessment and exposition of their supposed moderate character, which is funny because beauty is only skin deep. :)
Read Kramer's article in the New Yorker on Hijab/scarf issue in France. Quite enlightening as to the motivations. 99% of adherents do it because of family pressure.
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Well isn’t that a rather stupid assessment? I mean the same can be said for skull caps or wearing a cross or having curly side-burns (what are they called), having a Hells Angels biker jacket or an army tatoo.
The problem with the first paragraph is not the hijaban but society or the person viewing them. They take an article of clothing and define them by it. Like i said earlier it is a narrow-mined and stupid approach to any scenerio.
I would like to read this article. Can you post a link? that 99% figure is crap as something along these lines can never be proven and is subjective depending the point of view. Regardless the law is a violation of religious freedom.
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CM, go read the article. In fact inexperienced tadpoles like yourself, should infact get a subscription to the New Yorker.
Sorry kid, but you shoudl go read the very first post in this thread. which asks "what do others think of hijabans." Now think about that statement...it is not so much why "I" wear the hijab. but what do others think about "me" wearing the hijab. It is a vain, superficial and completely self absorbsed statement which is quite unlike what the purpose of the hijab is suppose to impress. Irony.??? :)
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My personal opinion... being a hijabi myself, I never look down upon any hijabi or non-hijabi alike. To me both are equally good. Afterall, it's piety that makes us better in the sight of Allah (SWT) and not only our appearance alone. By no means am I propagating that one should abandon hijab. All I'm trying to say is both hijab and piety sort of go hand in hand and Allahu aalim.
Observing hijab is very difficult and I realize I'm far from being a good Muslim. Therefore, I always look up to other Muslims and try my best to never think low or bad of them. Afterall, they could be very good Muslims and human beings and could very well be more beloved to Allah (SWT).
Only Allah (SWT) knows what lies within our hearts. Therefore, we should leave it upon Allah (SWT) to judge our character and strength in deen/eeman.
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Sorry the new yorker? My news sources require an education not indoctrination.
Lets see what the dictionary has to say about those words:
Vain = http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Vain
Self-absorbed = http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Self-absorbed
Superficial = http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Superficial
Now an astute mind will see that all three words describe an individuals opinion about themselves. What they think of about who they are. No where is there a mention of another persons opinion.
Following from that your statement is illogical. The dictionary defines illogical as:
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CM, if you have trouble reading, I cannot help you there. I cna take a pig to the water, I cannot make him drink. Now...lateral thinking has also been a handicap of yours from day-1 of our interactions...that is why you are in your station in life and I am where I am. :)
As far as the New Yorker goes. try googling as to what it is.
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No do please elaborate for us idiots. How can words defined for an individuals view of themselves, in this case wearing a hijab translate to what others think of them?
If asking others for their opinion on a subject matter then we would all be vain, superficial and self-absorbed. It would be all those three if the opinion changed the subject matter. In this case if the opinion changed the use of hijab by the person.
The problem once again is perception. Those who look at a hijaban percieve something based on no facts or truths. Rathere pure conjecture based on their own personal biases. Am i wrong in the above statement?
Read the new yorker heard alot about it. Playboy has more intellectually stimulating stuff printed.
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Are you as dumb as you sound up there CM? WE are talking about Hijab..i chose my words very carefully...vain, superficial and self absorbed. If you cannot see the connection..I am sorry you will continue to drool due to the extra chromosome. :)
It is not just another subject matter. If MQ was talking about having sex in the champagne room, I would have used different words. We are talking about hijab. You are continually doing your college education severe injustice. I am utterly disappointed.
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Matsui I have an idea. Since i am so dumb explain it to me. You have so far in 3 posts failed to explain the inter-connection between the two subjects. Rather just flamed me. I do believe if i complain you can be banned.
Again sweetheart your perception based on opinions without solid proof or fact.
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Give it a rest CM. IF you cannot understand what is written, I cannot help you.
you could have used a better choice of words than to say “Well isn’t that a rather stupid assessment?” I would have been kinder. Oh and if I go and complain about everything I find offensive, or flaming..the feedback thread would crash. Get some thicker skin. You may throw around words like “stupid” to other knucleheads here…you come correct to me, son. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. 
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Using personal assumptions and opinions without any facts or basis in truth is stupid. Be it you or be it Ehsan. The new yorker would agree with that.
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It is your opinion that it is not based in truth or fact. we are talking about qualitative attributes CM, we are not talking about GDP growth in countries with majority hijaban population. we are talking perceptions not facts or figures. You sound like a child who just took a course in statistics. Not everything you study will be applicable to every situation.
we are usings terms like vain, self absorbed and superficial..we are talking perceptions arou hijab.quantify that for me with "facts" and "truths". ASking for "facts and truths" around perceptions is STUPID.
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Exactly we are talking about perception. The question was "what do you think of a hijaban" Correct? The idea was to given your opinion on how you percieve a person who wears a hijab. You stated that you feel that they (the ones who wear hijab) are
You are free to state your opinion. And i am free to state that you use an article of clothing to extrapolate characteristics about any individual without knowing them. That in my personal opinion is stupid and based without merit or fact.
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what is the fact in that case? are you kidding me when you type this stuff? Since yours is not based on 'fact" or “truth” any more than mine is, would your opinion be stupid as well? 
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Sure my opinion could be stupid. Again its perception. But hey would you gather that from my underwear or from my socks?
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aray bhai…i understand your point n not getting u wrong waghera,
its just that we have different opinions so let it be that way …
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skhan -- I feel no need to justify the motives of all other hijabans. In this thread I was trying to firgure out why people think a certain way. As far as Im concerned it really doesnt matter what complete strangers think about hijab or hijabans. But Im trying to understand where they get their ideas from, and why they misunderstand. I have no interest in making other people change their views. Why on earth would I ever bother? Its not views Im changing, its views that Im trying to udnerstand and clarify. Again I dont know why people seem to thnik such opinions matter to me. because frankly they dont. However, I want to know, just to expand my understanding of other people.
kaka--- I didnt misunderstand. You're more then welcome to your views. I just think that the people should get out more and learn more. Learning helps to decrease all the misunderstandings. The reason I made this about hijab is because its something Ive been noticing on a personal basis. Again I have no interest in making you change yours views. I was merely pointing out the other side.
matsui--- I asked for your opnion. I didnt ask you to tell me why women wear the hijab. I dont need to ask you that, neither do I want to know about it. And as far as Im concerned I would have a pretty good diea of the reasons behind hijab anyway. I asked what you thought of them and why. And if your opinions changed after getting to know them.
But of course people can only think so far. At the end of it all you think its a hijaban opening a thread- and we never seem to get further than that. Interesting anyway.
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Ok I am already spelling it out here, dont know how to make it even easier to understand for you. I said I wanted to understand their views. Where did I say I wanted to change them? I dont care to change anybodys views!
Why open it?
Because Im interested in other peoples opinions. Interested doesnt mean I’ll die if they disagree, interested doesnt mean their opinions “matter” to me.
Again is it against some law for me to want to know what others think? And why would anybody be on such a forum if they cared only about stating their OWN views and not trying to understand other people?
And yet you are implying - or stating - that I shouldnt have opened this thread?
Tell me why I would care about what you think of me? You dont know me at all, I couldnt care less . Your views might be interesting but trust me I dont give a damn about whether they “matter” to me or not.