Ok I will set aside the historical pakhtun animosity when I ask this: What is up with Persians? either they are super religious or super secular? I hate to say this but I find extremes amongst most Persians. I wonder if it has to do with the wild swings in their government from a very secularist shah to the very religious ayotollahs.
However that still doesn’t explain the persian (dari) speakers from Afghanistan who also tend to be following similar extremes. I don’t claim to be right in what I said, just my experiences, so please, enlighten me?
Persians have always been good for mood swings… like most cultures.
But I like them a lot… the see-saw effect down the ages has been phenomenal…
From the Worlds first Super-Power to the darkest days of 19th Century bankruptcy… from the Mighty Pahlevi Dynasty to the rise of the Ayatollah’s.
But like all great Nations Iran is used to these seemingly constant swings of fortune… That said speaking from personal experiences I find most Persians are very sincere, optomistic and as a nation they are very proud of thier beliefs and thier countries heritage.
I have to feel somewhat jealous of the Persians sometimes… True Pakistan will always be the Motherland…
However I feel theres a lot to learn from the Persians becuase they have been around a long time… last time my ancestors swept through Persia we practically destroyed the place… yet to this day they still prosper while much as it pains me my humble homeland of Plains and Mountains is more spectacular but the people havent really progressed… it seems if anything we have lost our identity.
While all said and done I find the Persains and Turks most facsinating, and compared to some oter countries they are not that bad.
and Salutations to my Persian brothers who like me have a passion for outdoors and good food.
Ok I will set aside the historical pakhtun animosity when I ask this: What is up with Persians? either they are super religious or super secular? I hate to say this but I find extremes amongst most Persians. I wonder if it has to do with the wild swings in their government from a very secularist shah to the very religious ayotollahs.
However that still doesn't explain the persian (dari) speakers from Afghanistan who also tend to be following similar extremes. I don't claim to be right in what I said, just my experiences, so please, enlighten me?
AHmm isn't that what you find in pashtuns as well, conservative enough to not even let women out of the house in cars without their sons or the lefty ANP types. Granted, there might be cracks in conservatives in Pakistan but the point still holds.
It's true. Persians are either super liberal (so much so they actually HATE Islam) or they're very religious. Definitely has to do with changes in regimes in their country.
Cause the governments changed from one extreme to another. Pahlavi was a chill mofo but decided to murder whoever da hell disagrees with them, then Khomeini's like sup foos lets take over, and now the baseej torture people who don't agree with the government, or wilayat-e-faqih.
AHmm isn't that what you find in pashtuns as well, conservative enough to not even let women out of the house in cars without their sons or the lefty ANP types. Granted, there might be cracks in conservatives in Pakistan but the point still holds.
I diagree. I doubt that "lefty" ANP type would go to a restaurant and order a ham sandwich.
Cause the governments changed from one extreme to another. Pahlavi was a chill mofo but decided to murder whoever da hell disagrees with them, then Khomeini's like sup foos lets take over, and now the baseej torture people who don't agree with the government, or wilayat-e-faqih.
Good points, but seeing your government be messed up in all types of ways does not mean that you pull away from your religion and culture? If that is the case, then we are doomed.
Ok I will set aside the historical pakhtun animosity when I ask this: What is up with Persians? either they are super religious or super secular? I hate to say this but I find extremes amongst most Persians. I wonder if it has to do with the wild swings in their government from a very secularist shah to the very religious ayotollahs.
However that still doesn't explain the persian (dari) speakers from Afghanistan who also tend to be following similar extremes. I don't claim to be right in what I said, just my experiences, so please, enlighten me?
probably coz most of them were either kicked out or were forced to seek asylum coz of the strict laws in their country, most of the iranians living in west are super secular.
probably coz most of them were either kicked out or were forced to seek asylum coz of the strict laws in their country
I agree. I have come across many Americans of Persian origin who are somewhat spritually inclined even if they don't wear their religion on their sleeves. That said many Persian-Americans are areligious, which is alright. I don't know of any "super religious" Iranians. Nor I think I have heard about them, with the obvious exception of the ruling elite (the Ayatullahs and their cronies) within Iran itself.
I think especially amongst the diasporas of any ethnic group, you would find "super secular" people so Farsiwans of Afghanistan are not really an anomaly. Also, considering Afghanistan's history it is not entirely surprising that you find the other extreme amongst them.
A bit off-topic but yeah Persian food is quite good although of course not at par with Pakistani cuisine, which is as eclectic as it is scrumptious (chapli kababs, Peshawari naan, biryani, sajji etc)
Also, speaking of food and culture, I find Dari quite an interesting language. At least that is the impression I get after listening to Zeb and Haniya.
Hey man I am using their (Persian) word for self identification, just like I call Pakistanis as "Pakistanis" instead of Persianized Indians with the same genetic and cultural stock as the eastern neighbor, which is the case for 75% of the population. Don't want to offend anyone :)
I definitely agree on the Pakistani food, we have a lot of different influences in our cuisine than Iran. I mean we are talking about a few centuries of invaders, great diversity in the people. I have been told that Dari is a more “purer” form of Farsi. Many of the great literary figures of the farsi language come from the Dari Speaking parts of Afghanistan (called Khorasan).
Zeb and Haniya have definitely made the dari/farsi push with the music, beautiful song!
I guees it depends on what reasons they give you but there are many reasons for Arab hate.
Historically the Arab armies that swept the Hubris Sassanids off thier lofty thrones was led by rag tag Arab warriors. That long forgotten episode of Islamic history is awe inspiring to millitary analysts the world over. Not even the hordes of Ghengis Khan could match the ferocity of that onslaught. The disparity in figures both before and after the campaigns was mind blowing for example it is recorded and confirmed that A Muslim Army of no more than 10,000 faced at least 50,000 Persians and at the end of the fight the Persians were practically wiped out for the loss of a mere 400 Shaheed. The Original sources cite the figures of the Arab force as less and the Persians as twice that number! It gives you an idea of what a force the Arabs were under men like my Immortal Hero Khalid bin Waleed.
However that happend so long ago that neither the Sassanids nor those original Arabs have any ideological decendants today and other nations have fought each other just as nasty but got over it…?
Maybe it’s the Fact that in the 19th Century the Arabs sold themselves to the Imperialists and Colonials while the Persians managed to hold onto themselve at least for a while so perhaps they see themselves as more noble and honourable in thier conduct? :shrugs:
The other theory is that like my own people and others… modern Farsi speaking Iranians see themselves as the defenders of the Old World while the Arabs still serve the New World Order… maybe the hate stems from thier deeply rooted ideological and religous differences afterall the Saudi led Arabs have become Socialist and Wahabist, while the Iranian and Farsi influenced nations are staunch Shia and Islamist in thier nature?
Finally it could just be jealousy years of watching the Arab states make loads of money from thier oil exports while in comparison Iran the very birthplace of natural fire and what was a homeland of fireworshippers seems to have an industry that is still developing… and which unlike the Arabs has been under sanctions for a long time too.
and Salutations to my Persian brothers who like me have a passion for outdoors and good food. 
