Re: Persian For Western Pakistan
Who said Persian is spoken in Pashtunkhwa? The argument is North-Western Pakistanis should be given the opportunity to retain their Iranic link.
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So in the other topic you don't want to admit that dari is spoken moreso in Afghanistan than pashto (don't like dari which is persian) while here you are advocating persian?
You are one twisted person! :D
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dari is less spoken than pashto in afghanistan, google a bit and you’ll find it on different sites:
here are two for you :
http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/asie/afghanistan.htm
he is advcating persian…did he say dari???
hmmm
the question is which should be taughtin NWFP/Balochistan as lingua franca: farsi or dari??
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well persian was the business and official language of mughal empire that stretches from afghanistan to india...
urdu evolved from native indian lanugages and mixed some persian too, for communication btw soldiers from this vast empire...
of course pastho and balochi are iranian languages, such as persian, so classical persian should be naturally the "prestige" language for them....but this is conflicting with the "patriotism" of urdu as the national pakistani language, and globalistaion of the world in english....
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errrr??? perhaps I am the moderator and I am required to oversee proper conduct in discussion??? I could be wrong though…
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English, being a language of global communication and knowledge, has a utilitarian value unlike Urdu-Hindi, which is merely a symbol (and that too unnatural) of national unity and so "patriotism".
One pillar of patriotism comes from Arabia and the other from India.
The things that are native/indegenous and so truly Pakistani are being ignored. Hahaha, look at the dilema of Pakistani nationhood!
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Paris, one link is in french while the other has info about pashtuns from 1989! 
Do you care to tell me then WHY ARE PASHTUNS IN GOVERNMENT ALSO NOT CRITICIZING MOVEMENT TOWARDS DARI AND MAKING IT AN OFFICIAL LANGUAGE?
Now to palacate pashtuns, pashto is made a language officially as well but we all know how much importance dari gets! 
And Paris please tell me how completely different dari and persian are! 
For quite some years now, looks like pathans have been leaning on that pillar much harder in following their najdi prophet! 
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I didn’t say I don’t like Afghan Persian, I love it, and its poetry and novels are beautiful. The only reason I would then rather Pashtuns in Afghanistan spoke Pashto is because it would mean Pashtuns in Pakistan would have a cultural connection with Afghans which in turn will strengthen our Iranic identity because of our common culture with those in Central Asia and we’ll be seen as Iranic instead of Indic like the other Pakistanis, my concern was strengthening our Central Asian Iranic links more than a genuine concern for the cause of Pashto, that’s why when I realised there’s no chance of resurgence of Pashto in Afghanistan anytime soon (because only 30% or so of Afghans speak Pashto and they are usually the uneducated riffraff and when anyone amongst them does becomes civilised, groomed and cultured they adopt Persian anyway), I thought if Pashto can’t act as our connection to other Iranic people and Central Asia, then Persian it should be.
Not to say I don’t like Pashto but that’s only because it’s my mother tongue, just like people feel at home in their grandmas kitchen no matter how shabby and tatty it maybe. Realistically speaking there’s nothing much which sets Pashto apart from other languages and to many it would sound crude, even during the reign of Pashtun rulers, in the courts and palaces of my ancestors 
Afghan Persian was much preferred over Pashto and was thought of as a language of prestige and that trend continues in Afghanistan.
Now I opened this thread when I was feeling really quite xenophobic towards Indic culture and Iranicophillic but after a day in the city observing women from all different ethnicities I found that Persian, Kurdish and the like are actually quite bland looking and the Desi women were all quite hot and sexy so now me being the shallow person that I am, I no longer feel any phobia towards Desi people hence my pro-Urdu views in the other thread, let the whole of Pakistan be assimilated into Desi culture, amen.
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Faruk it is not you but I was addressing LoD specifically!
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Faruk, i think pashto sounds far more romantic than dari...at least in songs...
though i don't understand any of them....
blitzy, i thought you knew french;).....sorry dear, anyway, pashto may be less spoken than dari in afghanistan...
dari and persian....hmmmmmmmm, then what's the difference btw american and shakespear english ;)
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One pillar of patriotism comes from Arabia and the other from India.
The things that are native/indegenous and so truly Pakistani are being ignored. Hahaha, look at the dilema of Pakistani nationhood!
i see your point...i won't learn persian just for the sake of it....pashto is spoken both in NWFP and balochistan already anyway....so let's spread pashto more instead of turning to persian:D
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Stick to Urdu, it's fine.
Do I suffer from a double personality disorder? Maybe.
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Only if you are nice to me!
And your comparison is wrong. No one speaks shakesparian english now (it is only used in his poetry). We are not discussing persian / dari poetry here. And if you compare american and british english, except for slangs (always) and some grammar rules, there isn’t much difference there.
Sorry girl you need to stick with what you know!
Purses, jewelry, makeup et.
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again a personal insult:o blitzkrieg, please refrain from this kind of sexist attacks…i guess mod told u to stop being racist so you just changed your point of attack..and went furher down 
i’m sorry but there is a lot difference in vocabulary btw american english and british english, for example in finance..the vocabulary i am learning in master (finance master:D…not shopping master, sorry dear), is triple: american/ british/french:rolleyes:…
ok, i don’t know if the gap btw dari and farsi is bigger, for a simple reason: all the threads discussing that issue, that i read beforehand, were split into two views: those saying the were almost same language, and those saying they were two really different languages:rolleyes:
if anyone speak both languages fluently, i would appreciate dearly his detiled explanation:blush:
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ps, persian is a generic term refering to the language used in persian court, so it is very relevant to talk about poetry, cause poetry and litterature are where you find true persian:rolleyes:
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what the hell. why dont they learn some hebrew as well since they are one of the lost tribes of israel.
Pashtuns should learn pashtu first, urdu second and English third. Pashtuns in Afghanistan should learn Pashto first, Dari second and English third. And the ones abroad should learn pashtu first and english or whatever language they have second.
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For God's sake, the lost tribes of israel is just a myth, it is rooted in the the historic rivalry of pashtuns(Afghans) and Mughals. Pashtuns are an iranian people (or as they say today 'iranic' I bleieve). Personally, I disagree with introducing persian, I would to see more time being spent on pashtu as well as our history. Unfortunately many pashtuns don't know much about their historical perosnalities like Ghazi Amanullah, Wazir Akbar Khan, Faqir-e-ipi, Pir rokhanetc. However, I do agree with lastofthedinosaurs, that we need to retain our iranic link, inorder to do so, I suggest we make naway kaal (or Nouroz in persian) official, or atleast give it importance. Maybe we could hold literary seminars on many iranian languages. What do you all think? Im just throwing some suggestions.:)
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the lost tribes of israel is just a myth
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Yeah it's a load of bollocks, maybe some Israeli tribes did get assimilated into Pashtun society but on the whole Pashtuns are an Iranic people.
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inorder to do so, I suggest we make naway kaal (or Nouroz in persian) official
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We're not Zoroastrian/Zartoshti anymore, we're Muslim. Nav Roz is a Zartoshti new year and holy day.
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Pashtuns are an iranian people (or as they say today 'iranic' I bleieve).
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Iranic sounds more suitable because Iranian implies a national of Iran, Iranic ethnic groups are scattered all over Central Asia not just Iran, some Iranians are not Iranic such as Iranian Arabs who are Semitic.
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I understand that iranic is a sensible term for today, thats why I mentioned them both. However, nawrozes is still practiced many places, as it is basically new years. I read seomwhere the word akhter(for eid) came from yakhter (what we called nawroz-yakh for cold 'ther' passes, so it was the ending of the cold months). Don't quote me on this, its just something. I am gonna search more this. I see no problem in bringing it back, its not only reserved for the zoroastrians.
P.S. I am not advocating that we leave Islam or anything , just soem sugestions on how to retain our iranic link.
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DASBZ_5, I saw on a forum, recently they held a joint Pashto-Hindku "mushaira" in Peshawar to celeberate the arrival of spring 2006. So there is a step being taken towards revival of nawroz.
And don't you think we should take some step towards the revival of Pashtun culture now that this Hindustani Islamic Tahzeb is invading us?