…And we see once again in this thread who is in favour of terrorists and under the guise of being anti-dictatorship and anti-musharraf, they support the biggest dictators of all time: the taliban.
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im not sure if ive misrepresented your post while splitting the thread Khehkeshan, if I have, let me know how you would phrase it and ill set it to that.
i think there is a case though for the point you're making, that a lot of pro-taleban people have borrowed their talking points from the anti-dictatorship movement. sort of how bin laden was using left-wing talking points in his last tape.
ofcourse, not everyone who is anti-musharraf is pro-taleban, but thats stating the obvious.
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....And we see once again in this thread who is in favour of terrorists and under the guise of being anti-dictatorship and anti-musharraf, they support the biggest dictators of all time: the taliban.
Yaar chill. Opposing Musharraf is in no way supporting religious extremism. How you came to that strange conclusion I would never know. It's like Bush saying if you are with us you are civilised and vice versa. I just don't approve of military rule in any shape or form. I never liked the Taliban because I just could n't identify myself with their brand of Islam. I even think that no party should ever be allowed to contest an election on the basis of religion. That's like fooling the electorate. Pakistan will always remain an Islamic country no matter who is at the helm of government. Yes religion is very important but we should not mix religion and politics. I have always wanted Pakistan to follow the example of Malaysia i.e be self-sufficient in everything and izzat k saath sar utha k jiyo
And I believe until recently your signature said something like 'save Pakistan from mullahs and army' before you changed it to what it is now! Anyways I genuinely believed when Mush first came to power that he was sincere and wanted to do something good for the country but his subsequent u-turns and back-door deals just to stay in power have disappointed me no end. Yes he has been better than BB and Nawaz in many ways but that does not mean one should accept/support army rule. He should leave the scene now and hand over power to elective civilian representatives be it kambakht BB or Nawaz.
btw I supported Mush's Lal Masjid operation (you can look at my post history if you have time!) but even then he deliberately delayed his action/timed it for his own political gain (rising public anger and his dwindling popularity in the aftermath of CJ suspension)
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hye hye…anti-mushy and anti-dictatorship is now = pro-taliban…
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Seems like you own post dude…from another thread
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have a nice day Mr saieen
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guys, we can look at this thread to see if you guys can talk to each other on prickly issues without namecalling and without being discourteous.
the thread title is slightly misleading. you would do well to actually read his post before you respond to it. we'd like to see more posts like GoldenAsif's.
dont personalize discussions please.
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kakay take a chill pill, if not then a sleeping pill…
and btw where did i said i support taliban or their actions. difference of opinion does not mean supporting the opposite party. :halo: 
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well majority of them have no one to root for and i guess mushy carries a partial blame for that. initially he tried cultivating democracy at the grass root with local elections but that plan failed miserably. instead of coming up with plan B, he aligned himself with the corrupt chaudries and fascist mqm. i would have kept up with the initial cabinet that he formed in 2000 instead of bring back these jahils in 2002.
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O hello Uncle … There is no difference of opinion in this situation…its a situation where you have to chose a side…either your with pakistan or against pakistan…
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Hmm...
So ehsan bhai is Taliban supporter.
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^ Hey, you never know! When obl can become an “islamist” after being a party players… 
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I absolutely agree with you here. Jaahils like Sheikh Rashid do not deserve to be peons let alone federal minister.
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I wonder who was to blame for the local govt system? I guess it is our political parties.. I prolly think any future "democratic govt" will come and scrap this system.
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I consider Mush to be a dictator and in a perfect world I wish we could have a real democracy, land of milk and honey etc etc. Pakistan is far from a perfect world. Give me an alternative that can effectively fight the terrorists and I will support him or her.
We have two major forces at war right now. The beheaders and suiciders vs. the rest. It's no longer an option, everyone has to choose their side. The army, for better or worse, is the only side that can fight the terrorist if they put their will into it fully.
We have seen time and time again that after any terrorist attack, majority of the anti-Mush crowd does one of 3 things:
1) Blame government, MQM, or external forces for the attack as jihadis are innocent angels of mercy.
2) Say that jihadis were forced into becoming murderers, butchers, looters, vandals by the actions of one man: Musharraf. Otherwise they would be very nice and friendly people.
3) Outright support of jihadi fitna...we know who these people are and their real agenda.
Now this does not include the genuine anti-dictatorship people like ehsan bhai for example who I know is 100% anti-terrorist. He can debate his anti-Mush points while condemning he terrorists at the same time.
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yet when the same ehsan bhai labels mqm as terrorists then his opinion becomes questionable. Is that it?
anyhow the local govt election was meant to be non-partisan but we had all the political parties form sister groups thereby making a mockery of the whole thing. i saw mushy on cbc the other day and he brought up the situation in iran back in the shahs time. said that the shah tried to bring in western ideals for forty years yet failed at the end for whatever reason. he sounded like a resigned man (i think the interview was done in 2006) watching how his attempt to wean the nation out the the feudal system since the raj hadnt proved fruitful, saying that if the people now want to bring jehadists into power through elections, then so be it. it is for this reason that condi and others are trying to bring back the secular element seeing that mushy has given up.
Re: People opposing Musharraf are secretly rooting for Taliban [split: Lal masjid..]
I consider Mush to be a dictator and in a perfect world I wish we could have a real democracy, land of milk and honey etc etc. Pakistan is far from a perfect world. Give me an alternative that can effectively fight the terrorists and I will support him or her.
Doesn't it sound very familiar to Bush re-election?
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What do you know about bush reelection? :D
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yet when the same ehsan bhai labels mqm as terrorists then his opinion becomes questionable. Is that it?
anyhow the local govt election was meant to be non-partisan but we had all the political parties form sister groups thereby making a mockery of the whole thing. i saw mushy on cbc the other day and he brought up the situation in iran back in the shahs time. said that the shah tried to bring in western ideals for forty years yet failed at the end for whatever reason. he sounded like a resigned man (i think the interview was done in 2006) watching how his attempt to wean the nation out the the feudal system since the raj hadnt proved fruitful, saying that if the people now want to bring jehadists into power through elections, then so be it. it is for this reason that condi and others are trying to bring back the secular element seeing that mushy has given up.
It's called a difference of opinion. I already don't agree with ehsan bhai on many things but on one thing we do see eye to eye I believe.
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Yaar chill. Opposing Musharraf is in no way supporting religious extremism. How you came to that strange conclusion I would never know. It's like Bush saying if you are with us you are civilised and vice versa. I just don't approve of military rule in any shape or form. I never liked the Taliban because I just could n't identify myself with their brand of Islam. I even think that no party should ever be allowed to contest an election on the basis of religion. That's like fooling the electorate. Pakistan will always remain an Islamic country no matter who is at the helm of government. Yes religion is very important but we should not mix religion and politics. I have always wanted Pakistan to follow the example of Malaysia i.e be self-sufficient in everything and izzat k saath sar utha k jiyo
And I believe until recently your signature said something like 'save Pakistan from mullahs and army' before you changed it to what it is now! Anyways I genuinely believed when Mush first came to power that he was sincere and wanted to do something good for the country but his subsequent u-turns and back-door deals just to stay in power have disappointed me no end. Yes he has been better than BB and Nawaz in many ways but that does not mean one should accept/support army rule. He should leave the scene now and hand over power to elective civilian representatives be it kambakht BB or Nawaz.
btw I supported Mush's Lal Masjid operation (you can look at my post history if you have time!) but even then he deliberately delayed his action/timed it for his own political gain (rising public anger and his dwindling popularity in the aftermath of CJ suspension)
Asif, I know your distaste of terrorists and have always agreed with your secular views. I used to be very anti Mush (check my post history) but as time has passed and reality sunk in, I don't know of any other person currently who can challenge terrorists. Even Mush is too weak on them at the moment because of all the detractors.