Pentagon picks French Co Airbus for $150 Billion Contract

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**Way to go…JENERAALS…:nook:

During a looming reccession Our Pentagon decided it was more advantageous to Subsidize French Socialist Jobs with American Tax payer dollars…:frowning:

All this happening right under George Bushe’s Nose…

While George was away slaying the Al Kayda Dragon and cleaning up in Iraack with No help from the French…

The French CLEANED UP in George’s Back Yard…:fraudia:

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i thought it was initial 40B $ contract awarded to northorp which is an american company. They will use airbus platform for the mid air refuling system. it doesnt mean that all the money is goin to airbus.
its the reality of the new world. different components are made in different countries.

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Yes it was the first phase (179 planes) order of a total of 400 - 600 refueling Tankers. Northrups Aircraft Airbus A330 will be built in Europe and the fuel tanks and delivery booms that amount to 15% or less of total price will be added in the US.................we loose some 40,000 jobs to France , Germany & England.

*"This will go down in history as the moment when the Department of Defense sold the U.S. aerospace industry to the French," Gabriela Lemus, head of the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement
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^ SindSagar, can you elaborate on where you got the above info? Any weblink to say that these 179 planes will be built in Europe and 15% of total price will be added in the US.. Thanks.

First, I completely agree that Pentagon giving this contract to Northrop Grumman Corp - EADS will send American Tax Payer Dollars (ATPD) to Europe. True. But if you think that going with Boeing will mean every ATPD stays in the US, you are wrong. High stakes military projects are always global in nature. Both bids had significant global components.

More importantly, please read the whole news Click here for one version]

This bid is based on a modified A330 design. But here is the kicker. All the aiplanes under this bid will be assembled and modified in the USA (Alabama) with some parts made in California.

And here is another news story for you.

French Airbus workers see tanker deal as a threat

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Guess Sarkozy wasn't warming up to the US for nothing. May be this will make him a little more popular at home.

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Yes I will try to get that info for you…

But if you do the Math…it is allmost all Labour & Tooling cost to Engineer & Manufacture detail parts then build large sections, which Airbus will do in their factories…those tasks take close to 35000 Jobs the remaining 5 to 7 thousand are needed to assemble large sections that will be flown here.

But the only way French Airbus workers would be threatened if US were to bomb France using these Tankers…:smiley:

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Exactly! Sarkozys whole election campaign was US backed. You could literally feel how happy the Bush Government was on the day Sarkozy won!

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Thank you. Maybe the news source you are reading give a better perspective on what work gets done where.

All the news stories I checked for this gave the impression that while the design is European (and therefore a lot of royalty payments will be sent to EADS), the entire assembly and modification process will take place in the US; therefore implying that this will be essentially a "US built" plane. I am very interested in credible evidence to your assertion that 83% of all part manufacture will take place in Europe and US factories will just get peanuts (15-17%). It is this break-down between part assembly that is interesting. Please do provide a link.

By the way, the news stories I read, suggest that 7,500 jobs will be created just in California for part manufacture. These imply that this is meager in comparison to what will be done in Alabama. So my impression was that Alabama will get 30,000+ jobs. Now you are saying that all these 30,000+ will actually be created in Europe. Do you see the disconnect?

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no price is too high for a good product. airbus platform is bigger and better than the boeing one. it will be more cost effective too.
even if all the money went to france and americans got a better product then i am in favor of that. not that america is my motherland but i am saying cuz it makes sense.

already boeing doors are made in india, ge engines are made in china , eject seats are outsourced etc etc... list goes on and on...

i wish they outsourced it to india..

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***My numbers are simply direct Factory Jobs that in turn grows 4 Jobs created outside the factory for each factory worker…

but US congress can and I hope will put a stop to this nonsence…:ASA:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/353534_tankerfallout04.html

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There were speculations that Air Force 1 might be replaced with A380. Is that true at all? If so, what's the latest on it?

I can't recall where i read that...it was quite a while back.

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Boeing has a much better product…and that was what the Airforce wanted…
Then in summer of 2006 Northrup/Airbus did not have an airplane that would meet Airforce specs so they threatened to pull out because their airplane A330 was too big for the job…

Airforce changed the specs in 2006 to accomodate Northrup/Airbus Team and have two parties bid…A330 uses 14% more fuel per hr than the 767…plus one of the requirements was the airplane should be able to land at 6000 some airstrips around the World…which the 767 is able to meet but A330 does not since it is bigger…

Seems at the last Minute Airforce decided landing at all those airfields was not important enough and went for the bigger airplane…:disgust:

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I think this should answer your question somewhat:

Hunter: Air Force Decision Costs U.S. More Than 100,000 Thousand Jobs

Washington D.C. – U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), the Ranking Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, today released the following statement regarding the Air Force’s decision to award the KC-45A tanker contract to Northop Grumman-European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS):
“This is a blow and a disservice to the American defense industrial base so vital to our national security interests. This U.S. taxpayer-funded contract was conceded to a socialistic system utilizing a heavily subsidized bid that valued an undercut price ahead of thousands of American workers already struggling to pay their mortgages and send their children to college.
“The hardworking aerospace men and women, and U.S. taxpayers, are the losers in this decision that benefited the treasuries of European governments.
“These are the same European governments who are unwilling to support us in the Global War on Terror and over the last few months refused to provide even an additional one hundred soldiers apiece for Afghanistan operations. Instead, we have to send 3,200 additional U.S. Marines to Afghanistan while they take $35 billion in American taxpayer contracts. Two-thirds of the foreign countries involved in this deal also fail to spend the minimum of two percent of GDP on defense as required by NATO membership.
“Airbus will tell you that they are creating new jobs in Alabama for final assembly. However, they fail to honestly tell the American people that the vast majority of the jobs required to build these aircraft are actually contained in the thousands of subassemblies that are built overseas.”

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Boeing supplied a brand new 747 for use as Airforce 1 only a few years back the last one used to be a 707 that stayed in service over thirty some years..........No chance they will replace it with A380 anytime soon.

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:)** Airforce acknowledges that the Boeing Tanker costs less than the Airbus’s proposed Tanker…

**Boeing’s contention that its KC-767AT tanker costs less to operate over its life time than the EADS/Northrop Airbus A330 tanker appears to be supported by revelations in several redacted documentsfrom Boeing’s protest with the Government Accounting Office (GAO) over the Air Force’s award of the KC-X contract.
Hundreds of pages of redacted documents related to Boeing’s protest were released this week and revelations about the strength of the company’s case have come to life. Excerpts from the redacted response, or comments, by Boeing on the Air Force’s Agency Report, which was filed in response to Boeing as part of the protest process, reveal the Air Force acknowledged that Boeing’s KC-767 has the lowest Most Probable Life Cycle Cost (MPLCC).

Plus GAO determined that Airforce conducted misleading and unequal discussions with Boeing…:frowning: