Peaceful Protests In Kashmir Alter Equation for India

It’s nice to see India being criticized/condemned so widely…not just by human rights organizations, but by the international media, and the UN itself.

Peaceful Protests In Kashmir Alter Equation for India
Tough Response Criticized as Outmoded

By Emily Wax
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, August 28, 2008; A08

SRINAGAR, India – Inside dozens of cramped kitchens in this Kashmiri city on Saturday, mothers and daughters prepared to make packets of rice for the hundreds of thousands expected at a sit-in two days later. Outside, their sons and brothers collected change from motorists to buy water and juice.

Drumbeats echoed through the Kashmir Valley as college students chanted “Azadi,” or freedom. In middle-class neighborhoods, Internet-savvy students blogged about their views and posted videos of the preparations on YouTube.

But early Sunday, Indian security forces blanketed the region, preventing demonstrators from reaching the center of Srinagar, summer capital of Kashmir. Authorities announced an indefinite curfew, blocked Internet access and arrested three prominent Muslim separatist leaders. At least 15 journalists were beaten.
Despite the government’s use of force, many Muslims in Indian-controlled Kashmir seem determined to find peaceful ways to voice their separatist aspirations. The slogans of the fighting in the 1990s, such as “I’m going to Pakistan to get an AK-47,” have disappeared as the nonviolent movement flourishes, especially among the young.

“For the young generation, it’s our moment now,” said Malik Sajad, a 20-year-old political cartoonist for the Greater Kashmir newspaper who was raised during the war. “Nobody here saw a childhood. We were always kept indoors. But we don’t believe that the solution is in the gun. Now we want to show the world that Kashmiris deserve peace.”

The unrest this summer in Kashmir has left nearly 40 people dead, all unarmed protesters, and more than 600 injured in the biggest demonstrations since an uprising against Indian rule by the region’s Muslim majority broke out in 1989. On Wednesday, troops fired on protesters in two towns outside Srinagar, killing two people and injuring more than a dozen.

Political analysts and human rights activists say the Indian government has failed to adjust its strategy to deal with a separatist movement committed to nonviolence. Some Indian political leaders, even those who disagree with the push for Kashmir’s independence, are beginning to wonder whether India’s democracy is mature enough to handle such widespread but peaceful dissent.

“India calls itself the world’s largest functioning democracy. But if we are really a democracy, can’t we let people express their dissent?” asked Omar Abdullah, a Muslim member of India’s Parliament and president of the National Conference, a mainstream political party in Kashmir. “In every other part of the country, police or army fire tear gas or rubber bullets during agitations. Why do they shoot first and ask questions later in Kashmir?”

This scenic valley has long been the battleground between Hindu-majority India and Muslim-majority Pakistan, with each country claiming Kashmir soon after India’s partition in 1947. The two nuclear-armed countries have waged two wars over Kashmir, and Indian security forces and separatist fighters skirmish almost daily. Fighting has left up to 77,000 dead since the early 1990s, according to human rights groups.

The current uproar began nearly two months ago over a land transfer that would have given nearly 100 acres of forest to a trust that runs a Hindu shrine. After a month of street protests by Muslims, the state government revoked the land grant. That sparked weeks of counterdemonstrations by Hindus in Jammu, a predominantly Hindu region of the state. Hindu protesters blockaded roads leading out of Kashmir, economically suffocating thousands of Kashmiri farmers during the peak of apple harvest.

The issue has moved beyond the land deal for Kashmir’s Muslims, igniting a people’s movement calling for self-rule.

The movement is “purely indigenous, purely Kashmiri,” Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, one of the arrested separatist leaders, said in an interview before he was detained. “Even we were surprised by the force of it.”

Muslim Kashmiris say they are tired of the daily humiliations at the hands of India’s 500,000-member security force, posted in apple orchards, saffron farms and hospitals. Many say they are subjected to constant identification checks, car searches and arrests without reason by soldiers armed with assault rifles and wearing flak jackets.

A senior leader in India’s government defended the curfew in Kashmir, saying that “possible militant elements could take advantage of the crowds.”

“One can understand when there are reasons for people to assemble. But there is no logic for people to gather in public places without any valid reason,” said Union Home Secretary Madhukar Gupta.

But the nonviolent movement in Kashmir has won over many in India’s intellectual class. And in New Delhi, India’s capital, public opinion on the issue of Kashmir has been mixed for the first time in decades.

Prime-time television shows have hosted debates on whether Kashmiris should be allowed to vote on their independence. A column in the Hindustan Times, titled “Think the Unthinkable,” asked: “Why are we still hanging on to Kashmir if the Kashmiris don’t want to have anything to do with us? The answer is machismo.”
Booker Prize-winning author and social commentator Arundhati Roy has become a hero in Kashmir for demanding that the Indian government rethink its policy and calling for more international attention to the issue.

“The reaction of the people in Kashmir is actually a referendum,” she said recently. “India needs freedom from Kashmir as much as Kashmir needs freedom from India.”

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Peaceful demonstration will achieve enormously, what other methods failed. Afterall, it was the Mohatama Gandhi philosophy of peaceful resistance that helped overwhelmingly to topple an empire. Now Kashmiri resistance must do the same and free themselves.

I'm sure our Indian friends would not like to prove much respected Gandhi wrong. Peace everyone! :)

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I think peaceful demonstrations should not be curtailed. The border with Pakistan must be made airtight so that terrorists don't come across, as happened even this week. It is these terrorists that make it impossible to hear the true voice of the people. Equally atrocious is Pakistani forces providing cover for these terrorists to cross the border by firing at Indian posts.

As to freedom of Kashmir, India should work hard at winning the hearts of the people there rather than succumbing to near term temptations of just 'letting go'. The current issue has become big due to inept handling of a small land usage issue and the separatists have used it to covert it into a religious issue. Geelani in fact made a public speech that Kashmir is Pakistan because they are muslim! Therefore the "innocent" picture painted by articles such as the one above and the half-baked opinions of pseudo-intellectuals such as Arundathi Roy etc, while a good demonstration of their want to be fair, simply portrays their inability to comprehend the real issues or reality.

There was a reason Mahathma Gandhi, in spite of being the Mahathma, was shot.

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^^ geelani is an ass*****. Indian goverment paid for his operation and medicines and he sings tunes of pakistan. we need someone strong in delhi to handle such scums.

Spare us the patronization.

India had 60 years to "win the hearts and minds" of the Kashmiri people, and it used that opportunity to suppress our most basic democratic rights. There's absolutely no reason for Kashmir to trust New Delhi at this point...and now that a whole new generation of Kashmiris have experienced the appalling brutality of Indian occupation, it doesn't look like India's going to be winning over anyone any time soon.

I think one of the major problems is that Indian people seem to be under the impression that there's a "separatist" bogeyman made up of an insignificant minority of the Kashmiri population, and that the rest of us are really patriotic Indians who are too stupid to think for ourselves and manipulated into getting swept up in all this separatist sentiment. I don't know whether its denial, or the success of the Indian propaganda machine, or some combination of the two. The sooner the people of India realize that virtually all Kashmiris are "separatists" and do not (and never have) wanted to be a part of India, the sooner we can start moving towards a realistic solution.

^ lol soo true, but we do have some idiots in kashmir who sadly want to be a part of Pakistan :(

Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan. The fifth largest Democracy in the world.

/Argument.

I lol at you

Independent Kashmir means they are a sovereign state, they need no nation supervising them whether it be India, or Pakistan.

Kashmiri people, if in need, can certainly turn to Pakistan for help because of the traditional ties due to cultural similarities and religion, but that in no way comes as a pass for Pakistan to claim currently Occupied Kashmir. It's for the Kashmir residents to choose their destiny, and we all ought to support them gain independence from being Occupied. An independent Kashmir will lead to a prosperous India and Pakistan.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I really dont get this 'cultural ties with Pakistan' you guys seem to think Kashmir has. Ive lived in Islamabad for a couple of years, even went to school there for a while (froebels), and seriously, culturally there are hardly ANY similarities, religious yes, cultural no. Just because we can speak urdu doesnt mean we're the same lol, and most kashmiris at home tend to speak koshur (the ones with brains do so anyway). And koshur is totally unrelated to urdu/punjabi etc, the only Pakistani language it has similarities with is khowar (chitrali), and some other random dardic lingos of the Northern Areas.

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I think some people are under severe misunderstanding about how territorial integrity works in a democracy. It is NOT subject to any voting, period. Even if everyone living in Kashmir vote to separate, there is no constitutional provision for such separation.

Otherwise people of a street may get together and vote to secede from their country - doesn't mean it is legal or democratic.

When we say democracy is government by for and of the people, don't forget - the first word is government.

People who don't like to be Indians are welcome to get out of Kashmir if anyone else will take them. Indian government has certainly helped all of them get really good education, so emigration should not be a problem. Good luck.

A laughably spurious argument at best.

How is a democratic nation created? On what basis are territories incorporated into such a state? You can't forcibly occupy and incorporate territory into your "democratic state" and then give these ignorant lectures on "territorial integrity"...especially when we're talking about a nation like India, which is nothing more than postcolonial hodgepodge of whatever territories the British managed to acquire in South Asia.

We never wanted Indian rule. We still don't. And it will always be our land, not India's.

Quote of the day.

I have always said that Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris. They should be allowed to secede to China if thats what they wish. But this Indian mentality is caused by Hindu Nationalism. These guys believe that Kashmir and all of Pakistan is Hindu Land, hence it belongs to them more than it belongs to the people who have always lived on it.

Apparently converting to Islam 1000+ yrs ago strips away your right to your own ancestral lands. Hence, Hindus genuinely believe they own Kashmir more than Kashmiris.

Sad mentality.

There is no formula for how a nation is created. Different territories become part of a country by different means. The cases of a people of a region voting to become part of a nation is rare to non-existent.

You may think it is laughable, but that is the way it is!

Why not?

What is ignorant about the territorial integrity comment? It doesn't really matter how modern day India was drawn up. That is the way it was and is. Unless there is a time machine to go back and change things, history remains as it was.


Anyone who doesn't like being Indian is free to get out and migrate to whatever country is prepared to take them. The Indian government has spent a lot of money in educating everyone there and so if you don't like being Indian, I'm sure you can become a valuable citizen of another country, and contribute there.

There are plenty of instances where nations have won their independence from occupying states through referendums. East Timor, Montenegro, Eritrea, Namibia, Micronesia, Palau, the former Yugoslavia and the USSR. Canada has repeatedly extended that right to Quebec, the US has repeatedly done so in Puerto Rico, and its becoming increasingly likely that Scotland will be given an independence referendum within the next few years.

This is how real civil societies work, unlike your pathetic excuse for a democracy. You may think its laughable, but that's the way it is!

I forgot...you're Indian, which means you have no morals.

You people should go & occupy Nepal & Bhutan too. And when the people (rightfully) protest against your brute oppression, you should give them the same ridiculous lecture on "territorial integrity."

This is why I say you people are nothing but colonial imperialists. It's our land, it always has been our land, and every Kashmiri will do whatever is in their power to keep your grubby Indian paws off of it.

LOL. According to the 2001 census, the Kashmir Valley has a 47% literacy rate. Indian occupation has brought us nothing but oppression and misfortune.

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India is a backwards third world country, with a great relationship with PR companies and corporations that need it for their dirty work. People give it too much credit.

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^h ur country is the first world country where people are daily blowing themselves up?^^

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out of how many hundreds of nations that exist? the other important factor you forget about Kashmir is that even those locals who want to separate have become bitter because of the violence that in turn was a direct result of Pakistani terrorism. Such terrorism will not be rewarded. Secondly, another large group (not mutually exclusive) is demanding separation in the name of muslims rather than for any geo-political reasons. This again runs counter to how India works (or atleast supposed to work).

From your language it is clear civility is not your forte, so I'll drop this

Please don't get personal.

I cannot help it if you don't understand or don't want to understand what territorial integrity means. This tells me that you are in one of the two camps I described above viz Pakistani camp or Muslim camp (or both). Neither of these represents any civil or moral locus, therefore with this you have nullified your own arguments

I can only laugh if you call India colonial imperialist! But such name calling I guess it is to be expected from people who have turned rabid

India overall was some 65%, J&K was 54% ....so what does this tell you? All that anti-India venom comes from being uneducated. May be the energy should instead be devoted to getting educated rather than smuggling in guns and jihadis from Pakistan. Incidentally, Bihar was lower than J&K in 2001.

Isn't this a good thing? Why does Pakistan pay several millions to lobby firms in K street?

Which people?

That's just some of the countries that have won their independence by referendum in the past 10-15 years or so. I'm sure if we go back further we can find plenty more examples.

The important factor that you seem to be forgetting is that the Kashmiri people have supported independence from India well before there were any "Pakistani terrorists" in Kashmir...and that Indian surveys themselves have shown that the 700,000 or so Indian terrorists in Kashmir right now are far, far more unpopular among the locals than any foreign militants.

Such Indian terrorism will never be rewarded with Kashmiri acquiescence to foreign occupation.

It's not a personal comment directed towards you specifically. Barring a few rare exceptions, Indians in general seem to have no sense of decency when it comes to dealing with the people of Kashmir...based on your past comments in this thread, you are no exception to the trend.

I think it has to with the way your government/media indoctrinate you, but that's just my opinion.

I can't help it if you can't understand a pretty simple argument.

India has no historic "territorial integrity." It's nothing more than wastebasket catergorization of former British colonial holdings in the Subcontinent, not a nation with any defined historic boundaries on which you can claim that the loss of Kashmir would be a violation of India's "territorial integrity." To that end, I even asked what was stopping India from forcibly occupying other nations (Nepal, Bhutan) and then denying them indepndence based on this spurious notion of Indian territorial integrity.

India's actions in Kashmir have been nothing but foreign imperialism. If you're too blinded by your communalism to see than, then its hardly my fault.

That India has run Kashmir like an undeveloped colony.