Peace For KPK

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Naya Pakistan starts from KPK

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There's another point that we miss PMLN can form their own government in kp too with the help of JI, JUI, QWP and independents.

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What don't you ask this question to the NATO forces afterall they started this great war against injustice and now leaving the region with allowing these governments to roam free? Aren't they the ones that have always formed strategies for Pakistan?

Afghanistan is a graveyard for great Powers: Britain, Soviets and now America have all learned their lessons. The idea of achieving victory against these tribal resistance is not even possible in wild fantasises. Unless you want Pakistan too turn into another graveyard, keep advocating another 13 years of warfare.

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KP voted for peace, not warfare. ANP did nothing for peace apart from advocating empty rhetoric of violence. People of KP have shed so much blood for this unwinnable conflict and enough is bloody enough now. They deserve better and inshAllah they'll experience lasting peace in the region.

All the warmongers can go to hell or Afghanistan, people of KP and FATA by rejecting filth like JI/JUI have shown in which region the real appetite for extremis and fascism is alive and kicking and perhaps that should be the next battleground to defeat the enemy.

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^ JI, JUI, QWP, PMLN and independents can form government there.

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But that's not what people of KP had voted for. That's just a curse of Pakistan style democracy and having corrupt and desensitized politicans.

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Drones are a convenient excuse to avoid criticizing the terrorists, remaining of their hit list, while gaining valuable brownie points from the electorate. Once the drones stop but the suicide bombings continue, you will suddenly see these politicians have the rug pulled from under them as they scramble to find something else to divert blame from the actual terrorists...

Imran Khan may not have control over Federal policy, but he will find himself in a situation where he can no longer ignore the issue and will have to take on a critical tone when the bombs start going off again.

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Why fight terrorists, when you can simply put the responsibility at the feet of others...

NATO isnt responsible for the security of Pakistanis, Pakistanis are. REGARDLESS of who started this fight, there is no excuse for murdering innocent people. To claim NATO as an excuse for inaction against terrorists is nothing more then cowardice.

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Why go to Afghanistan when the terrorists are sitting in Pakistan itself? Your problem isnt in Afghanistan or in Hell, its in Pakistan. Hiding under a rock isnt going to buy your security.

The ANP couldnt resolve the security situation because no one in the govt or military wanted to fight the Taliban in their territory.

The reason there is no peace is because the Pakistan Army and Govt dont want to fight. Anyone thinking security will improve by just ignoring the Taliban, are mentally insane. You only have to wait till the next mass bombing. And it wont come from Afghanistan or from "hell" it will come from within Pakistan itself, but you will likely ignore that aswell. The Taliban and other terrorists will bring the war to you, regardless of whether you want it or not.

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KP also voted for MMA in 2000 & MMA allowed Taliban to setup shop there. I hope PTI doesn't turn out to be new version of MMA in quest for peace.

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If JUI is left out of the coalition in kp, they could collaborate with the militants to further destroy the peace in the province. I hope PTI is able to perform well in the province as they need peace.

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The latest is that PTI has begun the initiative to form the government in KPK.

We should see some positive development in the next couple of days, hopefully that lead to something good.

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^I hope so too!

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NS has said PTI should make govt in KPK.

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One thing I've noticed that it’s so typical of people from third world countries to make foreign policy a matter of great personal pride and ego. Thats largely because their countries have no international history, no diplomatic standing, no national record of statesmanship. Hench the disgustingly polarised views that only see the world as divided into black and white blocks. In countries like Britain and USA, people aren't aren't throwing toys out their pram over the issue of negotiation with the Talibans because they are aware of the fact that their countries have long history of securing lion's share through signing of ceasefires and treaties. There would not have been any British Empire if the Brits hadn't known the art of penning down agreements and making deals for long term benefits.

Anyway, back to your original post. Why do you think Talibans are in Pakistan? Yes, because NATO forces with their supremely advanced technology, man power, full international backing and sophisticated training had miserably failed to suppress the Taliban let alone ever coming close to eliminating them. Where the NATO forces have failed, what makes you think Pakistan army will succeed? Considering once the Allies leave, stopping all the financial aid and assistance, but the most frightening fact of all, leaving an increasingly anti-Pak Karzai behind, who would most probably be in a coalition with the Talibans along with India as a proxy Kingmaker. In this case, what makes you think Pakistan would be able to handle all that alone successfully? So you are happy to see Taliban assuring the NATO forces that neither their countries nor their people will be attacked but you don't want to see Pakistan extracting the same pledge for the sake of security of their own people? Is the idea of seeing a continuous warfare and most gruesome form of violence really thrilling for some people that they are so ready to totally sacrifice the prospect of long term peace and stability of the region?

Sometimes reading posts on this subject here makes me wonder if people just started following this conflict yesterday because Justin Bieber made a twitter post saying Talibans are bad? Why the Pak army doesn't want to launch militray operations? Any idea? Yes, because it was Major Gen Ather Abbas who said during Musharraf's rule that Pakistan army is not trained to launch offensive against its own civilians. There is no way you can defeat the enemy who hides amongst civilians in a civilian get up. There were even some inside reports suggesting that huge number of Pakistani soldiers were extremely disheartened to be part of the Swat operation due to the guilt felt over seeing massive amount of civilian suffering and loss of innocent blood in their own backyard by their own hands. Don’t even get me started on the amount of money that was needed to re-construct that area. The civilian casualties, the huge number of displaced population and material damage caused by Sawat operation is all well documented and available to see, now would you mind telling me what impact it had on defeating the Talibans or stopping the bomb attacks? No in fact, right after the Sawat operation, the entire country was shaken by series of bomb blasts in urban areas, bombs were blown off even when the army was in the middle of carrying the operation.

So what do you suggest Pakistan army should do? Dig trenches, deploy tanks, start aerial bombing, march up and down the streets machine gunning every nook and corner of Karachi, Multan, Quetta, Peshawar Pindi, Noshera, Faisalabad etc, so within days you have at least seven separatist movement coming out of a tiny country called Pakistan? Anyone who has an ounce of knowledge about the history and the sensitive and volatile nature of the relationship between Pakistan army and the civilian population would not even bother suggesting within border military operation as an only solution. It’s extremely dangerous for the survival of the country.

Has it ever occurred to you that Pakistan army has been part of this conflict for 12 years, TWELEVE bloody YEARS plus extra ten years of experience from Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; so maybe, just maybe they know more about the situation than you do? With 22 years of continuous warfare in the region, can you honestly blame the Pakistani people (who actually live in the country) for begging, pleading, yearning for a lasting peace?

Call of Talibans or whatever, at the end of the day, it’s just another form tribal resistance that cannot be defeated no matter which superpower is fighting against. The Brits were first to figure that out, the Soviets eventually realised that, the USA has learnt its lesson and I‘m sure as hell that Pakistan knew this fact all along.

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Oh boy...is that how bored I was?

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^:hehe:

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I promise, I did try to multitask as well. lol

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^well…I know I would never have been able to write something like that by multi-tasking :k:

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you make your point very coherently and logically.