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Imran's proposal to tackle has not been implemented or tried. Other option has been in use since last 10 years. Is present situation because of him?
No one, and I repeat no one wants to give TTP one inch of our country.
I just wish Imran & PTI is removed from the scene for next 6 months and see where we stand without them. why not 6 months? May be we will have another APC in 2020 calling for another approach and we will have similar arguments.
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How the Taliban Khan turned naive Pakistanis abuse their own army so as to able to justify actions of enemies of Pakistan. The army just lost its general at the hands of terrorist and yet instead of blaming the terrorist, Jolie would abuse the army instead.
Pakistan army is not incompetent. Problem is that rhetoric of the likes of Tailban Khan also confuses some military men too. And just like many others, some of them start hating their own institute and willing to help Taliban. No attack on any army installation happened without an insider job by Taliban allies within the army.
Man I wish you were actually innocent instead of just being dumb and blinded by hate. You are simply full of venom for Imran for so many other reasons. You just use Taliban as smokescreen. Yes army is not incompetent, and Bangladesh, Baluchistan, Zia, NRO, Karachi, martial laws, MQM, Kashmir Jihad, Afghan Jihad all happened because of Imran? Army is simply paying the price of its own deeds, you reap what you sow. Taliban are a recent phenomena but how Pak army used and abused Pakistan before that is no a secret. You are just too blinded by hate and ego to admit that.
Army is so competent that's why there's no record, no accountability, no evidence of where all the American aid went and where Rs550 budget is going. Who knows, maybe somewhere in Pakistan, army is training hundreds of Kashmir Jihadists to simply piss off our neighbours.
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nobody posted news about TTP's statements about the attacks? surprising.
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Imran's proposal to tackle has not been implemented or tried. Other option has been in use since last 10 years. Is present situation because of him?
No one, and I repeat no one wants to give TTP one inch of our country.
I just wish Imran & PTI is removed from the scene for next 6 months and see where we stand without them. why not 6 months? May be we will have another APC in 2020 calling for another approach and we will have similar arguments.
Isn't surprising that most loudest and excited and opportunist haters of Imran have yet to utter a word against PMLN and LeT alliance who openly take responsibility for spreading sectarian hate and violence from Karachi to Quetta to Punjab. There's an open pact between PMLN and Punjab Taliban which agrees to no formal arrest and punishment of terrorists captured. Yeah right, me only bash Imran Khan coz me no like Taliban....yeah right we do have rats amongst us. Shame on those terrorists apologists who pick and choose the terrorists they want to support.
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No not surrender, the war isn't over yet. But having typical British sensibilities, I'd like Pakistan to be able to stab TTP in the back. :DYou know, fight this war in a typical imperial European fashion. But hey, that's a wishful thinking, who may I kidding by comparing dubious, incompetent Pakistani military who cannot a guard a tiny state with mighty armies who conquered and guarded massive Empires.
These peace talks will fail if they haven't failed already, military action is inevitable but will it bring any immediate relief and long term peace in the country - I'm not sure. That's my honest opinion.
Sigh. If only we had an Attaturk on the borders and a Churchill in the country, whilst Immi should've been in Britain around IRA time or even before that to stop situation from reaching to that state.
Oh so you want the British army vs. IRA type of battle? We can adopt the COIN from the brits but taliban is not IRA as they don't call and tell people to get out while they blow up a building. British never gave up on Northern Ireland and Pakistan shouldn't either in its form of a Good Friday agreement if it happens.
Ohh I forgot since imran khan is a party to the conflict now in KP, it would be the Good Saturday Agreement! :D
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Isn't surprising that most loudest and excited and opportunist haters of Imran have yet to utter a word against PMLN and LeT alliance who openly take responsibility for spreading sectarian hate and violence from Karachi to Quetta to Punjab.
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Wasn't gunja mian also part of the tsunami? I never knew unless we are talking about his toilet habits after eating his murga musallam each time.
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Oh so you want the British army vs. IRA type of battle? We can adopt the COIN from the brits but taliban is not IRA as they don't call and tell people to get out while they blow up a building. British never gave up on Northern Ireland and Pakistan shouldn't either in its form of a Good Friday agreement if it happens..
Funny reply but utterly useless. :D
Imran should've been in Britain to solve the Irish Question, Poms and Irish would've happily made him their patron saint. But Pakistan for now certainly needs an Ataturk which sadly won't happen even if you put all the generals of Pak army together.
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Wasn't gunja mian also part of the tsunami? I never knew unless we are talking about his toilet habits after eating his murga musallam each time.
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Naa its for those usual idiots who think there's terrorism in Pakistan because Immi's political opinions not because country biggest political party come Federal government has open alliance with terrorists organisations and how our oh so competent and squeaky clean army has turned a blind eye to it. Makes you wonder do people just wanna spew hatred towards once individuals due to personal vendetta or they actually do want to talk about problems for sake of humanity.
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from kashif abasi show:
tliban said "jandal hifza, DID NOT accept responsibility"
Taliban said "we have nothing to do with jandlal hifza "
seems like PTI policy is working after all.
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from kashif abasi show:
tliban said "jandal hifza, DID NOT accept responsibility" Taliban said "we have nothing to do with jandlal hifza "
seems like PTI policy is working after all.
Do they have a policy apart from appeasing TTP and be their apologists.
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yes, they do.
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And IK had such strong following since 1990s :k:
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Since I am bashing Imran khan for the past 2-3 days, I will add a few things here. Imran khan had nothing to do with what ever happened in the country till (late) 2011, as he had no say and following. He was talking against the operations but was irrelevant in the political space.
Even when Swat operation happened the whole country was behind the operation but Imran khan was looking the other way. His opinion was not important, hence the operation went ahead.
Since 2012 his popularity has increased, now what he says holds weight. I don't know what he means by his statements like pro peace wali ur Rahman, and difference between real taleban with fake taleban. The taleban fighting in afghanistan are conducting jehad but their brothers in Pakistan are terrorists. These things create confusions, either all taleban are good or all are bad. The same policy is adopted by the army which has brought us to where we are.
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Since 2012 his popularity has increased, now what he says holds weight. I don't know what he means by his statements like pro peace wali ur Rahman, and difference between real taleban with fake taleban. The taleban fighting in afghanistan are conducting jehad but their brothers in Pakistan are terrorists. These things create confusions, either all taleban are good or all are bad. The same policy is adopted by the army which has brought us to where we are.
We need to stop referring to TTP as "Taliban" if it confuses masses with Afghan Taliban. We simply need to condemn TTP and all parties under its umbrella. All parties must cut ties to these organizations.
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Excellent documentary…worth watching.
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Iftikhar Firdous (@IftikharFirdous) 27/09/13 7:45 PM
TTP Mohmand Agency in a letter to the Media in Ghallani says "Peace talks wont succeed because we want to change the constitution"
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Some one please tell IK , that opening Taliban office didn't work out in Doha , Qatar ....
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Military operation is inevitable but lets just hope Pakistan military has managed to trace, trap and tire out these animals before they declare war.
There has to be a highly sophisticated and relatively short 'get in and get out' type operation, Pakistan military cannot really afford to get bogged down in a within borders insurgency.
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Pakistan: kicking the can down the road | Editorial | Comment is free | The Guardian
Three months after he came to power, Nawaz Sharif’s counter-terrorism policy is in tatters. He was elected on a promise to hold peace talks with the Pakistani Taliban. An all-parties conference called on the prime minister to initiate a dialogue with all “stakeholders”. The response of some of those with an interest and concern in the outcome (the dictionary definition) was to blow up 81 Christian worshippers outside a church in Peshawar on Sunday and follow that up yesterday by bombing a bus carrying government employees in the same province, killing at least 17 people. Although Tehreek-e-Taliban (TTP) denied involvement in one of the worst attacks ever made on the Christian minority in the country, a previously unknown group, going under the Taliban umbrella, did claim responsibility.
Although Christians are frequently targeted – in March, a mob swarmed through Lahore’s Joseph Colony, setting 150 houses ablaze over alleged blasphemy charges against one resident – they are by no means the only minority to reap the full force of fundamentalist fury. Since last year, over 750 Shia Muslims have been killed in targeted attacks across Pakistan, many from the Hazaras in Balochistan. Figures like these have by now lost all meaning. Since 2001, well over 40,000 Pakistanis have perished in this maelstrom. It is the responsibility of any government, let alone a popularly elected civilian one, to attempt to halt this weekly carnage. Mr Sharif’s decision to release Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban’s former second-in-command, to initiate a peace process between Kabul and the Afghan Taliban, was rightly welcomed. That war, as we have said many times, can only be solved at the negotiating table, and Pakistan’s involvement is essential. The drone attacks, which account for up to 3,000 deaths (although these figures are disputed, too), only prolong the agony.
But there is a big distance to be travelled from that position to pretending that the Pakistani state can accommodate the agenda of the TTP, al-Qaida and other militant groups. It is also Mr Sharif’s responsibility to protect religious minorities and uphold basic rights, as Human Rights Watch said in its recent letter to him. The assumption that buying space for the Afghan Taliban is going to help with the TTP is erroneous. The public discourse in Pakistan suffers from a false binary that the TTP is a function of the drone strikes. The challenge it poses the state is more fundamental than that. Fundamentalism is a product of decades of official complicity, cowardice and appeasement. Sooner or later, Mr Sharif will be forced to realise that. Until then, he is merely kicking the can down the road.
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According to TTP the talks wont succeed sans troop withdrawal from FATA and release of the prisoners. A lot of water has passed under the bridges during the past 10 years. The army should not be withdrawn from FATA until the areas are fully secured. Steps should be taken to integrate FATA with the rest of the country in the mean while.
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A full fledge army operation is the need of time, we don't need to be worry from India coz any serious conflict leads to a Necular war whic both countries do not want to do. FATA need to be clean up by bloody rats.
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^I agree with eye. This whole area needs to be cleaned up and get these TTP rats to be shot before any peace negotiation is put on the table. Which actually means..operation in militant infested North Waziristan. Is our Army prepared for grand operation?