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because no one is discussing the Army's failure (during the past 10 years) and the role of PMLN (as federal government). Dont you think IK has made himself the punching bag?
He has always been... from months before the elections. All failures of the state and flaws of the system have been attributed to IK and PTI since probably the Oct jalsa in Lahore. They would naturally intensify as they formed KP govt. The two-party musical chairs was threatened.
If you followed 'motorcycle diaries' at Dawn before the elections, it was clear that several PML(N) candidates openly contested elections based on an anti-Shia sentiment in Punjab. No one ever mentioned it even once.
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He has always been... from months before the elections. All failures of the state and flaws of the system have been attributed to IK and PTI since probably the Oct jalsa in Lahore. They would naturally intensify as they formed KP govt. The two-party musical chairs was threatened.
If you followed 'motorcycle diaries' at Dawn before the elections, it was clear that several PML(N) candidates openly contested elections based on an anti-Shia sentiment in Punjab. No one ever mentioned it even once.
I agree! Imran gets targeted because of his one dimensional stance regarding terrorism. The issue is not as simple as Imran Khan makes it to be. PTI will have to make up their mind how they will get rid of this menace. The policy of indecision would damage them. Before this attack several others have taken place, not a single condemnation or visiting the victims etc (due to the fear of angering the militants). Even this time around their members visited after 3-4 hours of the tragedy, but by then ANP had already seized the initiative. The party is coming across as a coward party which cannot even condemn those perpetrating terror in the country let alone take them head on.
The difference between PMLN and PTI is that, the former did not make noise regarding talks with taleban (although their policy was similar). Now when the talks narrative is falling apart its natural for people to ask IK about it, and unfortunately it seems as if PTI does not have any policy to tackle the fall out. Thats the difference between a politician and otherwise.
Imran Khan has portrayed himself as a revolutionary leader and you need to take gutsy decisions to justify that.
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Punching bag for sure but it is partly IK’s own fault. Many people had high hopes from Imran when he founded his party in 1996 but he just doesn’t come across as a courageous and gutsy leader. I support PTI but I totally disagree with some of his screwed-up views esp. re. religious extremism and Taliban scumbags
“Imran Khan is a confused Man, He doesn’t understand politics” - Haroon Rasheed
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That's what I'm saying when I start to observe Hazrat IK that he is most confused politician or just BRAIN less
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I think people are confusing bravery with sheer stupidity.
For all those angry PTI kids who have suddenly developed a fascination and longing ANP. Mind telling us how exactly ANP tried sorting out terrorism in their province? 210 attacks under their government and you think it's a joke that counts for nothing? It's pretty clear that our fickle, idle and brain dead nation is only pleased by some superficial PR stunts. Yeah ANP has always showed up at the crime scene and this has helped terrorism because......? Explain? They condemned Taliban, the wanted operation, they were under a government that didn't even know the meaning of peace talks, so how come they couldn't manage to deal with terrorism?
How foolish is to cling on to a tried and failed method of condemn condemn and condemn when a whole party has been physically wiped out because they did absolutely nothing but condemned the the terrorists. The fact a massive party got wiped out is a true accomplishment? It's a matter of true pride isn't it? So I guess, condemning is still the only way to wrap up this war. Condemning terrorists by standing at the crime scenes has saved millions of lives right? Such policy did wonder for ANP and KPK...lets stick to that.
Shame on people for appreciating ANP for playing politics over dead bodies. Shame on those rotten apples who just want to see cheap PR stunts.
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I think people are confusing bravery with sheer stupidity.
For all those angry PTI kids who have suddenly developed a fascination and longing ANP. Mind telling us how exactly ANP tried sorting out terrorism in their province? 210 attacks under their government and you think it's a joke that counts for nothing? It's pretty clear that our fickle, idle and brain dead nation is only pleased by some superficial PR stunts. Yeah ANP has always showed up at the crime scene and this has helped terrorism because......? Explain? They condemned Taliban, the wanted operation, they were under a government that didn't even know the meaning of peace talks, so how come they couldn't manage to deal with terrorism?
How foolish is to cling on to a tried and failed method of condemn condemn and condemn when a whole party has been physically wiped out because they did absolutely nothing but condemned the the terrorists. The fact a massive party got wiped out is a true accomplishment? It's a matter of true pride isn't it? So I guess, condemning is still the only way to wrap up this war. Condemning terrorists by standing at the crime scenes has saved millions of lives right? Such policy did wonder for ANP and KPK...lets stick to that.
Shame on people for appreciating ANP for playing politics over dead bodies. Shame on those rotten apples who just want to see cheap PR stunts.
Swat deal was done in 2009 during ANP's government, and these days even PTI is condemning the attacks (not taking the name of terrorists though). Anyways, I'll leave it at this PTI is already facing a lot of criticism from every where.
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Who is appreciating ANP or anyone here?
*I don't see ANYONE in Pakistan even remotely capable of taking on the challenges - terrorism and religious extremism and intolerance being the biggest ones - of today and that incl. IK. It is a sad state of affairs
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I am against drones as well but linking drone strikes with other atrocities is wrong and shameful.
imo talks are bound to fail unless there is the continued threat of strong military action against those terrorists groups who are not prepared to give up their arms
TTP are simply untrustworthy and uncivilised people. The only language these scumbags understand is a bullet to the head. if anything since the APC we have seen an increase in violence and terrorism. It was the same story in Swat. These animals abused the peace deal brokered by the PPP-led federal government and peace was only restored there after the army kicked these nutheads out of Swat
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How is there an extreme rise violence? Are people forgetting that this is the same city which was attacked multiple times on weekly basis? Are people forgetting the days when it was so normal for Peshawar to be attacked 3-4 times a day? Yes indeed, the peace talks have managed to pacify a lot of small violent groups, there's has a been significant decrease in revenge attacks. What TTP is doing is carrying well targeted, well planned, sophisticated and high intensity attacks and that's something that army has yet to find a way to deal with.
Swat deal was broken but how did Swat operation helped terrorism in Pakistan? Yes it didn't bring a single ounce of relief in terrorism. If anything despite the drones, FATA operations, Swat operation, terrorism has been on a rapid increase from all sorts of corners. Where is the relief? Who in their right mind still has the guts to say yes all those measures have provided definite relief to Pakistan? No but lets just continue the war in same fashion and lets see if can likes of Syria and Somalia some competition.
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Jesus....
How emotional you guys are...
It feels like a battle lost... who every wanted this problem not to get solved. Seems like
succeeded.
And you all are acting as we have never seen such incidents before ?????????????????
PTI should not back off....
Its IK after all, who took these deaths out of domain of "allah's will" into an issue he wanted to take head on..
Its him who gave credibility to APC talks or what ever..
Have some shame people.. don't get so spoiled so fast...
Remember you are from a country where no fix ever happens.....
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Swat deal was broken but how did Swat operation helped terrorism in Pakistan? Yes it didn't bring a single ounce of relief in terrorism. If anything despite the drones, FATA operations, Swat operation, terrorism has been on a rapid increase from all sorts of corners. Where is the relief? Who in their right mind still has the guts to say yes all those measures have provided definite relief to Pakistan? No but lets just continue the war in same fashion and lets see if can likes of Syria and Somalia some competition.
The situation is much better now as compared to 2008-2010, I have seen part of that violence first hand. In Swat, Pakistan army could not even travel without permission of taleban. I dont think any state would have allowed state within a state. In the garb of peace talks the militants had started spreading to neighboring areas of Swat.
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The situation is much better now as compared to 2008-2010, I have seen part of that violence first hand. In Swat, Pakistan army could not even travel without permission of taleban. I dont think any state would have allowed state within a state. In the garb of peace talks the militants had started spreading to neighboring areas of Swat.
....And that's it? So these are basically next to nothing standards and expectations people have from full on military operation? I am so embarrassed to even read this.
Swat situation is just 'better' and despite drones, FATA/Swat operations, somehow we still have 62 militants group in the country. Success all around, eh? So much for a being a military state...
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Jolie, do you want to surrender the country to the TTP and associates? Please tell us as you can be honest since you are not living in Pakistan! :D
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No not surrender, the war isn't over yet. But having typical British sensibilities, I'd like Pakistan to be able to stab TTP in the back. :DYou know, fight this war in a typical imperial European fashion. But hey, that's a wishful thinking, who may I kidding by comparing dubious, incompetent Pakistani military who cannot a guard a tiny state with mighty armies who conquered and guarded massive Empires.
These peace talks will fail if they haven't failed already, military action is inevitable but will it bring any immediate relief and long term peace in the country - I'm not sure. That's my honest opinion.
Sigh. If only we had an Attaturk on the borders and a Churchill in the country, whilst Immi should've been in Britain around IRA time or even before that to stop situation from reaching to that state.
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I think the starting point for the government to take serious action would be to ban Imran the simpleton. He is confusing people with his naive arguments. When Christians had their people killed, they wanted him to punish the culprits, yet he only sent condolences and vowed to STOP THE DRONES.
From Apologist to Ally – The Express Tribune
To call Mr Imran Khan a Taliban and a murder apologist offends his enthusiastic supporters. Perhaps, they are right. Hearing him talk after the Church attack, it is clear that Mr Khan is no ‘apologist’. An apologist makes excuses, often in an oblique manner for the acts of another, after the commission of the act. Mr Khan does no such thing. He is crystal clear in his absolute defense of the terrorists. And more importantly, **he pre-approves of all future murderers. Mr Khan is no ‘apologist’, he is an ‘advocate’, an ‘ally’
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The arguments for talks and for terrorists are fit for children below the age of 10, with learning difficulties. The ‘force should not be used to counter force’ argument would make the prison system, the courts and the police redundant. The entire justice system would be shrinks sitting down with murderers and rapists, talking.
The worst offender is Mr Khan and his worst offense is that he is creating the space for a pro-terrorist narrative in the mainstream. Perhaps, more accurately, he is destroying the limited space that existed for the counter narrative.
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It is not just IK. All parties agreed to give talks a chance in APC. Baaqi parties incl. so called secular parties k pass bhi condemnation k ilawa koi concrete hal nahin hai.
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so called secular parties k pass bhi condemnation k ilawa koi concrete hal nahin hai.
So do you think 'talking' iss ka hal hai?
Many parties agree for talks but Taliban Khan rules the roost. So he gets most of the blame.
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by comparing dubious, incompetent Pakistani military who cannot a guard a tiny state with mighty armies who conquered and guarded massive Empires.
How the Taliban Khan turned naive Pakistanis abuse their own army so as to able to justify actions of enemies of Pakistan. The army just lost its general at the hands of terrorist and yet instead of blaming the terrorist, Jolie would abuse the army instead.
Pakistan army is not incompetent. Problem is that rhetoric of the likes of Tailban Khan also confuses some military men too. And just like many others, some of them start hating their own institute and willing to help Taliban. No attack on any army installation happened without an insider job by Taliban allies within the army.
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No not surrender, the war isn't over yet. But having typical British sensibilities, I'd like Pakistan to be able to stab TTP in the back. :DYou know, fight this war in a typical imperial European fashion. But hey, that's a wishful thinking, who may I kidding by comparing dubious, incompetent Pakistani military who cannot a guard a tiny state with mighty armies who conquered and guarded massive Empires.
These peace talks will fail if they haven't failed already, military action is inevitable but will it bring any immediate relief and long term peace in the country - I'm not sure. That's my honest opinion.
Sigh. If only we had an Attaturk on the borders and a Churchill in the country, whilst Immi should've been in Britain around IRA time or even before that to stop situation from reaching to that state.
While Churchill was a d-bag towards desis, he certainly had a powerful presence and rallied his country. I definitely think a Pakistani Attaturk is needed to clean house, both the army and the terrorists.
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Talks alone will fail
Military Force alone will fail.... hint: British, soviet, ten years of military action by Pakistan army
I am afraid we are in it for a long haul
I never understood Zardari's moratorium on death penalties either (it was allegedly European Union's condition for granting preferential market access to Pakistan).
Such dangerous terrorists should be hanged within a week or month of being convicted
The Bannu and DIK jail breaks are there for everyone to see