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Here is a good book one in URDU and one in ENGLISH for anyone who has real Jado problems. It was emailed to me by someone looking at this post, so I'm posting them after reading them. The material in them seems clean from Shirk, but its upto you all to decide,
naveed.name/fake_peer/jinjadu.pdf
naveed.name/fake_peer/How_to_Protect_Yourself_From_Jinn_And_Shaytaan.pdf
Thanks all for help.
Mr Sarge,
No doubt that there are Pious people of Allah among us but please don't ask general public to look for them as they will mostly find commercial Pirs. Tell them to study Quran first so no one can fool them and teach his own shari'at to them that benefits his firqa or gadi.
Iyaka Nabudu wa Iyaka Nastaeen (Surah Fatihah) You alone do we worship and to You alone we look for help.
and the problem begins when you look for help from anyone other then Allah.
In Surah Maida, verse 117 it says,
I said to them nothing except (that) which You ordered me to say: Worship (only) Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord (too). And I kept a vigilant watch over (their beliefs and actions) so long as I was among them. But when You lifted me up then You alone watched over their (affairs), and You are a Witness to everything.
In the verse above it is clear that prophet ISA is unaware of things happening currently in this world when asked on day of judgment about his people. Can you explain how dead Aulia-Allah can hear us when we call upon them to pray for us?
After the last prophet passed away the door of ilhaam and kashf was closed until qiyamah (proven from Quran as well). Then how is it possible for Pirs and Walis to gain knowledge from the similar sources? Can you show clear ayat about following walis and ilhaam after khatm-e-nabuwat? I can understand going to a knowledgeable person to learn Quran, Hadees, Seerat or Fiqh,..... but why must the word of Pir be held above Quran?
Keep in mind that Shia Imams also have similar claims. Go check their websites and books.
I am not asking anyone to look for a pir.
There is no "dead Aulia-ALLAH", the spirit is always alive. Again you have no knowledge of that except a hint, that just like shaheed are alive, the AULIA-ALLAH who have departed from this world are also alive. and the proof is the fact that people go to them(their mazar etc) and ask AULIA-ALLAH to pray to ALLAH for them and then get what they wanted from ALLAH through AULIA-KARAM. The another fact is what we call a "hazri"( a spirit of a WALI-ALLAH appearing in the body of human-being) but I wouldnt prefer to go in details of that. Roohani people also see and talk to such pious spirits (AULIA-ALLAH).
If you read about the lives of AULIA-ALLAH, you would know that they attained everything thru ISHQ for ALLAH. This ISHQ is very different from what we know about love.
People who follow WALI-ALLAH do it for a certain purpose usually. as there are many ways a WALI-ALLAH can benefit a person.
anyways, since online forums are all about references, here you are:
"Your helpers are Almighty Allah and His Rasool and those Muslims who perform Salaah and give alms and make Ruku" (5:55,Koran)
"Verily, ALLAH helps them and Jibril and Saaleh Mumineen and then angels are helpers". ( Surah Al-Tehreem: ayat 4)
ALLAH says about his servants (Aulia-Karam) in surah Al-Kahf: (18:28)
"Stay tenaciously in the companionship of those who remember their Lord morning and evening, ardently seeking His pleasure, (keen on the glimpse of His sight and eagerly aspiring to glance at His radiant Countenance). Your (affectionate and caring) looks must not but focus them. Do you seek the charisma of the worldly life (shifting your attention away from these self-denying devotees)? And (also) do not follow him whose heart We have made neglectful of Our remembrance and who follows but the urge of his (ill-commanding self) and his case has exceeded all bounds. "
The word of a pir/WALi-ALLAH is not above Koran, a pir/WALi-ALLAH usually give hints when helping people. those who understand the wisdom behind them succeed, those who dont keep going in circles.
I am not interested in checking websites as internet links are filled with crap mostly. What i tell mostly is what I have seen and experienced.
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Nicely said Sarge
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Naveed561,
You are working on one single fake-pir since a long time:
1.What have you done regarding him to create awareness in the masses where it matters, REAL LIFE (as it matters only 0.5 % on internet forums). Have u send these recordings to some NEWS channels or translated them and send them to printed media?
2.Do u plan on working on one fake-pir only? if yes, then why
3.Are u interested in creating a database of fake-pirs? If yes then how?
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checkout the site for all in one collection,
esnips.com/web/fake-pir
I will try to take this to media... but certain blind followers are only worried about saving face of their firqa. I oppose firqa parasti and imam/pir parasti.
Finding good/pious people is not hard, its the blindness and grave/Pir worshipping that causes one to slip into these holes. Spirits of Shuhada are alive, but we cannot ask them to intercede?
I know its painful for a follower to see all this... but so is the pain for a blind follower of catholic priest and swamis. Exploitation of lower casts by Pundits is well known and I don't even want to mention priests.
I’m was reading this thread (all comments) almost everyday. Pay money for black magic for cure, doing black magic, learning/teaching black magic etc called Kufar. Kufar is arabic word which mean deny. Now here is the question: ‘denying what?’ Allah SWT said: learning/praticing/teaching black magic is Kufar. So if some1 do it he/she’s denying my order and denying order mean doing Kufar and its considered as shirk.
Every Su’rah(s) in Qur’an have its benefit. So recite Qur’an (that Sur’ah) for cureness and pray to Allah SWT. No Doubt Allah SWT is Raheem-o-Kareem upon His creature".
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....is in not time this thread was was closed already???? :)
To simply answer the thread starter's question.....NO, you should not be paying ANYONE to cure your black magic..... as soon as this so called pir you went to asked for money, that should have told you straight away that he is a fraud.... A REAL Pir / Wali Allah will NEVER ask for money.... EVER.... there is no exception to this....
I am not going to go into Roohaniyat or sufism or praise anyone here but am going to tell you something I know FIRST HAND....not hearsay or from books etc....
It is about a NORMAL person who with Allah's, Rasool Paak' (SAW)'s, Panj Tan Paak's, Ghaus-e-Azam's and Sarkar Baadshah Bahu's Blessings has the "power" needed to help people who are true victims of black magic.... I know him personally and have experienced everything first hand... so, no am not taking anyone's words for it....
He, Alhumdulillah, has been given the ability and power needed to help people who ave had black magic done on them or who are possesed by a jinn... yes you CAN be possesed... have seen it with my own eyes....
Now, the people he cures, he has no idea who they are. He is told by his Murshid that you are to go to help these people....even if they are on the other side of the country (which some have been).... now these people that he helps know of this friend of mine... not in person but they have seen him... in their dreams etc or have had visions of him.... this is all by the will of Allah's, Rasool Paak' (SAW)'s, Panj Tan Paak's, Ghaus-e-Azam's and Sarkar Baadshah Bahu's .... we all know NOTHING is impossible infront of Allah and His Rasool (SAW).....
...so, when he goes to help these people, they are, Alhumdulillah, cured..... I have seen a girl possesed by a jinn firsthand.... I have heard this jinn speaking from this girl's mouth myself....
Now this person has NEVER taken a penny from anyone... .nor does he stay in anyone's house..... he is only doing his duty, as given to him by his Murshid..... he does not expect anything from these people he is helping and nor is he allowed to take anything.... all he does ask of them is that if, and only if, they have the means to do so, is to go to his Murshid's Darbar and give their haazri.... that is ALL... and if they do not have the means to do this, then nothing is asked of them.... they can give sadqa in their own way....
Whether anyone believes the above or not is none of my concern.... it doesn't affect me in any way.... everyone is entitled to their own opinion.... that is why Allah has given us a brain... to think for ourselves....
.....just to add a little bit to the above.... not all cases are black magic..... the person may be physically or mentally ill.... there have been a few instances where some people have got hold of my friend's number and have pleaded him to help them.... when he does go to their houses, he looks at the patient and a minute later will tell them HARSHLY to get him to a doc as he is NOT affected by black magic, but has a medical condition....
....there have been numerous posts on here regarding Pirs / Faqeers / Wali Allahs..... What does a "normal" muslim know about any of these?? NOTHING.... sorry to be blunt, but this is the most honest answer I can give....
99.9% of muslims do not have any Roohaniyat knowledge.... I'm not saying that this is a bad thing..... Roohaniyat is not for everyone.... just because someone does learn a few things about Roohaiyat, it does not mean they have to go round enlightening everyone... that is not the way it works... and it never will work like this.....
Just to believe in Allah, His Rasool (SAW) is enough.... to fulfill the five pillars of Islam is MashAllah more than enough..... to learn about our amazing Khalifahs and Sahaaba Karaam is Alhumdulillah even better.... to know about our Kalandars, our Ghaus E Azam, our Wali Allahs is amazing.... but to understand Roohaniyat is totally a different matter entirely....
If someone doesn't believe in Roohaniyat then that is his prerogative.... if he believes in Allah and His Rasool (SAW), then that is fine.... that's what makes him a muslim in the first place....
I'm not here to make anyone believe in Wali Allahs.... why should I??? It's not my job to do so.....
.....what does bug me is that it is the people who know NOTHING at all about Wali Allahs are the ones who make the most "noise" here.....
.... all this rubbish about how a Murshid takes everything from his mureeds... expects their mureeds to do things for them... that their mureeds have to listen to everything they say.... sorry for the language, but what a load of BS!!!!
A Murshid does not ask for ANYTHING from his mureeds... what can the mureeds give to their murshid that they don't have already??? A Murshid only GIVES.... nothing else..... and a mureed only receives... nothing else.....
.....if a mureed is giving to his Murshid... then the only advice I will give to that sucker is "you've been done mate... go find yourself another murshid"......
... A true Murshid does not go round collecting mureeds, which is what all these fake pirs do... nor do they expect praise from them.... which is what these fake pirs like....
A true murshid only GIVES to his mureed... and what does he give?? HE gives him ALLAH's WORDS.... not his own.... ALLAHS.... it is not about worshipping the Murshid.. this is where people misunderstand.....
Who is a Wali Allah.??? He is NOT Allah..... you will not find greater love / Ishq in this world than what a Wali Allah has for His Allah and His Rasool (SAW)
Faqeers are different altogether.... no one can even guess how high a TRUE FAQEER's maqaam is..... a Faqeer does not care about anything in this world... nor do they have mureeds..... so why and how would they con people????
.......to the person who started this thread... unfortunately you did meet one of the thousands of fake pirs out there....
I sencerely hope you and your family are not suffering under the influence of any black magic.... but if you are, I pray that Inshallah with Allah, our Beloved Rasool (SAW)'s, PAnj Tan Paak's, Ghaus -e- Azam's and all our Beautiful Aulia KAram's blessings that all your problems go away... Aameen...
...and just for the record, these are my views... I am not asking anyone to believe me or accept my views....... just believe in Allah and His Rasool (SAW) and that will forever be more than enough!!!
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^^
Thanx for explaining. Very informative.
Salmulaykum
Answer me this question?
If black magic is haram, why even think about it to cure yourself.
It's just another way of getting around the haram
Quotes for hadith will be given inshallah
Salmulaykum
Answer me this question?
If black magic is haram, why even think about it to cure yourself.
It's just another way of getting around the haram
Quotes for hadith will be given inshallah
.............as in Black Magic done by other people on you.....not by yourself. Anyone who practises black magic kicks himself out of the fold of Islam
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I am student at Al-Mawrid institute in Lahore and received this information as part of lecture. Good to see there is already a post out there exposing real enemies of islam who create innovations and false authority........
I wish Arabic was taught in our schools and madrassas because Quran is very easy to understand and invites humanity towards it. Mostly uneducated class of our country has taken the short-cut and left Quran for their Pirs to explain to them, thus causing these situations to arise.
See this thread at our institute website for further information on what happens when you follow those who claim to have received guidance from Allah even though the door of ilhaam was closed after the last prophet Muhammad (SAW).
studying-islam.org/forum/topic.aspx?topicid=3738&lang=&forumid=1
Shortly after Islam came, and in modern times........ since prophethood can no longer be claimed by them, ....... they use other respectable names so an innocent follower can focus on them and not read Quran himself, (the only uncorruted TRUE word of GOD!!).
Thanks.
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pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?p=2491293
Here is another thread elaborating the Peer Mafia in our society!! There are some very good questions for the blind followers.
I am student at Al-Mawrid institute in Lahore and received this information as part of lecture. Good to see there is already a post out there exposing real enemies of islam who create innovations and false authority........
I wish Arabic was taught in our schools and madrassas because Quran is very easy to understand and invites humanity towards it. Mostly uneducated class of our country has taken the short-cut and left Quran for their FAKE Pirs to explain to them, thus causing these situations to arise.
See this thread at our institute website for further information on what happens when you follow those who claim to have received guidance from Allah even though the door of ilhaam was closed after the last prophet Muhammad (SAW).
studying-islam.org/forum/topic.aspx?topicid=3738&lang=&forumid=1
Shortly after Islam came, and in modern times........ since prophethood can no longer be claimed by them, ....... they use other respectable names so an innocent follower can focus on them and not read Quran himself, (the only uncorruted TRUE word of GOD!!).
Thanks.
Please mention the word "FAKE" when you refer to fake/fraud pirs. Not all pirs are fake.
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Thanks dude346...
send me pvt msg if you need more material. I have recordings of his mehfil where he is claiming visits from Ghau-Pak and asking mureeds to obey his orders. This is very typical of Pirs/Imams to claim spiritual powers to fool innocent people.
Nice posts at your institute site...... but I don't play firqa firqa... so for me any institute or teacher who is honestly working for muslims and not just for their donation money / political power is respectful.
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Do not pay money; the solution will be temporary. Please write your problem in short at [email protected], they will contact you regarding the solution.
Thanks Sohail.... but I found someone who showed me how to perform Ruqyah Sharia and also I have always asked Allah to resolve my any issue. I stay away from Pirs who ride in Pajero or drive hummer :)
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^^ If only you have read about the masterpiece of Imam Shafi (Quraishi Makki ) personal reflections of meeting Imam Malik of Medina. I will try to find out to post it here.First you PM me to comment on your thread and now start ridiculing hummers etc. I am not saying you to go and have ba'it of him neither anyone compelling you.
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