Patel vs Rasul: The great UK divide

Very Intresting !!!
Will people from UK put some light on it.
http://www1.timesofindia.com/Articleshow.asp?art_id=1579940

The great sub-continental divide is alive and well, 7,000 miles away from India and Pakistan as Britain digests the news that people like 12-year-old ethnic Indian Abhay Patel and his Pakistani classmate Ahmed Rasul will grow up to be painfully different.

According to a new government study, boys like Patel are more likely to be white-collar workers and pillars of British society. For Rasul, the future may be bleak and in the dole queue.

The Patel-Rasul question is likely to become Britain’s biggest policy headache in the next decade, even as Britain shivers with shame at the fact that three British Pakistanis are interned by the US as fanatical al-Qaeda prisoners in Camp X-Ray and there is rising evidence of economic and social deprivation among British Bangladeshis and Pakistanis.

The study, commissioned by Prime Minister Tony Blair, is stark about the impact of ethnicity, religion and class on life, livelihoods and living standards.

It says that Britain’s Pakistani Muslims are three times more likely to be jobless than Hindus.

Indian Muslims do better than those from Pakistan or Bangladesh. But Indian Muslims, it says, are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.

Bangladeshi men are more likely to find jobs as cooks. And one in 20 Indian men is a doctor, a ratio 10 times higher than for white men.

So how confusing is this in the case of Patel and Rasul, two friends, who look like brothers from south-east London and speak a bit of so-called chutney Hindustani for fun, though their language of choice is English?

Sociologists say there is no contest at all. Patel is from an environment that pushes him to succeed. If Rasul does well, they say, it would be inspite of his circumstances.

Patel’s mother teaches at a school and his father works in a bank. His older sister is a lawyer and he goes home to India just once a year.

Rasul’s father owns a small business. His mother stays at home, looking after the five children. The family often have visitors to stay from Pakistan and they spend extended holidays there themselves, forcing the children to miss weeks of school.

The gap between the two families is one of aspiration, say sociologists, and this is why the report finds the average Indian Hindu three times more likely to prosper than his Muslim counterpart from Pakistan.

The study appears to be uncompromising about the role of religion, warning that “the odds of being unemployed do vary with religion”, but it also finds racism to be a huge drawback.

The colour bar is the one point at which Patel and Rasul remain equally disadvantaged, which may be small consolation for Britain’s South Asian community of mainly one-million Indians and 700,000 Pakistanis.


Jiyo Aur Jeene Do!!!

andha_qanoon bhai, Olad Lahori already started this topic. Please continue to post there. It is interesting!!
If you think about it, it is a very odd state of affairs.
If you observe Indian Muslim Kids are supposed to be doing better than Pak or Bangladeshi kids. Still there is a disparity.

I think the problem here is these kids don't have sufficient role models. Or they grow up in an environment where they have to deal with being 'Muslims' first.
Like, A Hindu Kid doesn't spend too much time talking about or defending his religion.
That amount of attention he/she saves I think is impotrtant in that it lets them concentrate on other things.
Big families are another problem ofcourse. It is mathematical.

Another reason ofcourse is that, Muslims in general spend a lot of time on politics, affairs of other Muslims.
They don't view Palestine as a political problem, rather a religious one for example.
'Ummah' thing is quite popular I believe.

well i agree with andhra a pakistani child is more likely to be politicaly inclined than his counter part
i think by and large hindu children and more interested in education and business than politics and religion well it was the same case here in india but things are changing here muslim boys and girls are in every field now and doing exeptionaly well.

its sad that this post is being ignored by pakistanis or muslims i would say
i thought it was worth the decent discussion

Before discussing this you 3 indians ignorent ,either learn how Rasul landed in U.K. & how Patel landed in U.K. HINT... they came from two different socio-economic status also from different route ...hint.....go back to 60 Ayub Khan Mangla Dam ...Azad Kashmir ...Mir Pur ....Blue collar illiterate labour in 60 are unemployed illiterate jobless bums ....after the export of industrial complex of Textile, shoe ,other labour intensive industries from West to Asia .Africa ,s.America

If you knew that then you didnt indicate in your post.


"If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, 'thank you,' that would suffice."

[This message has been edited by Tipu Sultan (edited February 26, 2002).]

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Originally posted by Tipu Sultan:
**Before discussing this you 3 indians ignorent ,either learn how Rasul landed in U.K. & how Patel landed in U.K. HINT... they came from two different socio-economic status also from different route ...hint.....go back to 60 Ayub Khan Mangla Dam ...Azad Kashmir ...Mir Pur ....Blue collar illiterate labour in 60 are unemployed illiterate jobless bums ....after the export of industrial complex of Textile, shoe ,other labour intensive industries from West to Asia .Africa ,s.America

If you knew that then you didnt indicate in your post.

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this is sick muslim attitute
never learn from your mistakes and find faults with people who show you where fault lies

Tipu Sultan,
YOur atttitude is totally stupid.
Still how do you explain this?

Indian Muslims do better than those from Pakistan or Bangladesh. But Indian Muslims, it says, are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus. <<

I guess the reasons are pretty obvious. Indian Muslims have relatively good examples before them in fellow Indians where Social, Worldly success is concerned.

The Pakistani and Bangladeshi kids seem to have ‘Jihadi’ idols

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What else do you expect?

As for your points about Kashmir, India-Pakistan troubles, Muslims being illeterate and penniless when they land in UK, I take it with a pinch of salt and I recommend every body do the same.

After all Jews landed in US in much worse conditions.
As for Indians migrating and being successful. They do that because.

  1. Hindus or Muslims, They are migrate legally

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How many Indians you hear about being picked by immigration authorities?

  1. They keep to themselves and are law abiding. Like Every other week, a Pakistani gets beheaded in Saudi for drug trafficking. Indians are rarely given the honor.

3.They don’t get involved in ‘Issues’ like Kashmir and Palestine if they can’t contribute anything positive.
(If you can contribute anything positive, involvement is fine. Like Indians in US lobbied the COngress during Kargil

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O.k. you idiotically proud castist both muslims (by osmosis) & hindians

1/ tell me why non of you Hindian girls can skate even at the high school levels like Tara Lipinski or Sarah Hughes?

Some Hindian girls born in America are now 40 yrs old buddhi ugly fat as there cousin in India .Its called rascial genetic differences

Now taking high & mighty know all professor Keera from Howard univ will say b/c Hindian girls have role model of Bolly wood thats why they cant skate .If that is correct then your crticism of few thousand of immigrant muslims kid in u.k. U.s. is WRONG. Why should every body be clone of hirandu baxi ???

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2/ You hindians are worse than Nazi as far as rascism is concened .Did you take in to accountof the fact THAT ALL YOUR IMMIGRANT RAHUL MANOJ DILIP are from higher caste .THAT means million years of filtration of inferior genes have been made to be discarded by marriage only into higher caste system

Islam is open door policy .Kabir might have been a dalit 50 yrs ago now becomes RASUL & you ask him to compete with million years of caste filtration RAHUL???When he could not compete as Dalit just by becoming muslim by name Rasul you expect miracle???

Im not speaking against hard work & desire motivation BUT just having muslim names in converted doesnt bring down muslim but elevates muslim that they admit even dull most section of the society and considers him brother that hindus never do.And makes him sit next to Rahul

who is better now humane muslim or castist hindu like Andhra ???

p.s, i dont have time to proof read b/c by habit i was Dalit .At least now i can touch without being beaten


“If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, ‘thank you,’ that would suffice.”

[This message has been edited by Tipu Sultan (edited March 01, 2002).]

Tipu Sultan, the topic is NOT Hindu Skating or HInduism or untochabilty.
The topic is the relative performance of Muslim Kids.

If you have something to contribute on if Religion or Culture that is the problem, post it.

If you want to
1.Trash Hindu Skating or No Skating - Post in Khel Khilari!!

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2.Trash Hinduism - GO To Religion FOrum!!

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Sure castism has consequenceses both good & bad

Ability to skate ,swim,play basketball if not genetic then why do you find preponderence of white in swimming medals in white while in blacks in basketball .

of course for pundit it must be in trhe PALM or the vedic Astrology …but i share the same zodiac sign as Michaerl jordon …you hindians