Passion of Christ

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I know I am behind times but there are other priorities that demand my attention besides movie theatres.I finally got to see the movie Passion of the Christ on a pay per view channel.
I was ashamed and angered at humanity to what occured 2700 + years ago. Mel Gibson did a pretty good job in invoking that anger and shamefulness in the audience.
Obviously after the movie I had to go googling and trying to figure out what happened (was it the Jews, Romans etc).
First Off I was surprised to see that in Islam even though there is a lot of emphasis on Virgin Mary (Maryum) and the miracle of Isa’s birth (Jesus’s birth). There is only one or few verses that basically refute Jesuss’ crucifixion, whereas historical records from romans, jews and greeks all point to crucifixion.

Secondly I had heard that Mel Gibson tried to depict this as close to what occured in reality, however the amount of beating that Jesus (PBUH) endured would cause death (specially the whipping with a blunt metal object at the end). Furthermore If jesus would have been alive at the cross, the romans would have broken his legs (something to do with exhaustion or something).

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/crucified.htm

Thirdly Once the diciples took Jesus’s body to the cave and the body was missing ???. Is that in the bible? what does Quran have to say about ? Was there really an earthquake after the crucifixion in reality or that was hollywood?
And lastly why did Mel Gibson only use the gospel according to John and not others (just curious)?

BTW I don’t know whether this was discussed on this forum before or not but when I searched the forum the searches were not that productive.

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First of all Verizon, Eisa :as: was not crucified…he did not take that beating. I think one should learn about Islam before they strt believing in a movie that depicted a version of one man’s (belief) truth.

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here we go again..

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First of all Kaleem, Before you respond to my post read what I am asking. I KNOW WHAT ISLAM says he was not crucified…actually read my post again. You will learn something.

Edit: Added this for Mr Kaleen Sahib.

Ok Kaleem sahib read the bold and then complain.
Edit2: refute means refusing, negating etc.

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PA That really helped. Help like this and I have no doubt that Pakistan will become a super power in no time. Keep it :k:

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Verizon saib, thanks for your un-needed edits. If you knew the islamic point of view, care to explain the purpose of the thread?

You need to know more, my friend, open the Quran andread it. If you can find some time out of your very busy life...when you are not on the train to work or busy taking care of all the worldly matters. Maybe next time you will spend as much time trying to find Islams view on this issue as you did watching Passion of Christ...:)

Peace

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Re: Passion of Christ

Not sure about the first part.. you may have to do some more Googling.

Re: Mel Gibson… he is a Roman Catholic who follows the Council of Trent brand of Catholicism. Its a fairly narrow brand of christians (and not the mainstream). He has admitted that the movie is based not only on the Bible but also on the visions of Catholic mystics and on his own feelings of how things might have happened (Source)

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I am not looking for an answer from Quran Kaleem, my post indicates that Quran has a few verses and thats about it on crucifixion.
Since this is a religion forum and it says nowehere that only muslims or topics pertaining to Islam should be posted here, I figured to post my question here. Here I will simplify my initial thread for you (but you dont have to reply, I am more interested in some of our christian brothers s response/s).

Q1:First Off I was surprised to see that in Islam even though there is a lot of emphasis on Virgin Mary (Maryum) and the miracle of Isa's birth (Jesus's birth). There is only one or few verses that basically refute Jesuss' crucifixion, whereas historical records from romans, jews and greeks all point to crucifixion.

So are there any more other than 2 or three verses about an incident that changed the worlds history.

Q2:Secondly I had heard that Mel Gibson tried to depict this as close to what occured in reality, however the amount of beating that Jesus (PBUH) endured would cause death (specially the whipping with a blunt metal object at the end). Furthermore If jesus would have been alive at the cross, the romans would have broken his legs (something to do with exhaustion or something).

Obviously if there are only two are three verses pertaining so such a big incident. This all shouldn't be covered in Quran.

Q3: Thirdly Once the diciples took Jesus's body to the cave and the body was missing ?????. Is that in the bible? what does Quran have to say about ? Was there really an earthquake after the crucifixion in reality or that was hollywood?

Didn't see a chapter in Quran dealing with Hollywood.

Q4: And lastly why did Mel Gibson only use the gospel according to John and not others (just curious)?
I am sure Allah covered Mel in Quran Kaleem Saab.

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Verizon,

Maybe you already checked, but a couple of earlier discussions on TPOTC included some intelligent posts on the historical context. Here are a couple of links for you.

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144455

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140083

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Got that

Even one ayath will be enough for believing Muslims. Do you need more or those few verses suffice for you?

Since you are refusing to accept Islam’s point of view, I dont know how to explain to you that “reality” as you state…was that Eisa:as: was not on the cross..hence the deciple who betrayed Eisa:as: could have been on the cross.

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Verizon, ur digging up wrong sites for your answers.

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Re: Passion of Christ

i dint see any event in the movie that referred to 2700 years back…
i thought it was about just a 2000 or so years back…

maybe i missed some parts… :bummer:

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*Originally posted by Verizon: *
I am not looking for an answer from Quran Kaleem, my post indicates that Quran has a few verses and thats about it on crucifixion.
Since this is a religion forum and it says nowehere that only muslims or topics pertaining to Islam should be posted here, I figured to post my question here. Here I will simplify my initial thread for you (but you dont have to reply, I am more interested in some of our christian brothers s response/s).

Q1:First Off I was surprised to see that in Islam even though there is a lot of emphasis on Virgin Mary (Maryum) and the miracle of Isa's birth (Jesus's birth). There is only one or few verses that basically refute Jesuss' crucifixion, whereas historical records from romans, jews and greeks all point to crucifixion.

So are there any more other than 2 or three verses about an incident that changed the worlds history.

Q2:Secondly I had heard that Mel Gibson tried to depict this as close to what occured in reality, however the amount of beating that Jesus (PBUH) endured would cause death (specially the whipping with a blunt metal object at the end). Furthermore If jesus would have been alive at the cross, the romans would have broken his legs (something to do with exhaustion or something).

Obviously if there are only two are three verses pertaining so such a big incident. This all shouldn't be covered in Quran.

Q3: Thirdly Once the diciples took Jesus's body to the cave and the body was missing ?????. Is that in the bible? what does Quran have to say about ? Was there really an earthquake after the crucifixion in reality or that was hollywood?

Didn't see a chapter in Quran dealing with Hollywood.

Q4: And lastly why did Mel Gibson only use the gospel according to John and not others (just curious)?
I am sure Allah covered Mel in Quran Kaleem Saab.
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lol.....I had yet to see a person who questions then argues and answers himself. Today I got to see him. :D

veri......when Quran says it never happened, it answers all of your questions from ATLEAST Islamic point of view. Then what was this.....

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Is that in the bible? what does Quran have to say about ? Was there really an earthquake after the crucifixion in reality or that was hollywood?
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You should have said that you know the Quranic stance on it and you're looking answer from Christians brothers only. Why bringing Quran in a discussion when it clearly rejects the altered-fact from its root.

**Surat al-Nisa (Women) 4:157-158

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger--They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.
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*Originally posted by mal1k: *
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Verizon, ur digging up wrong sites for your answers.
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oh glad to find out we got a new blocked site poster :)

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^ we got it some time back, but its really cool :p

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Faisal Thank you for digging up the threads. See MehnazQ’s post, she summed it up eloquently what went through my mind while watching the movie.

Smooth_guy: I am glad you were amused by my post about asking questions and answering them. Thanks for the 4:157-158. That was my point that there are only two verses about crucifixion. Well OK if crucifixion didn’t happen then was he beaten? what does quran or Islam have to say about that? The reason I am interested is that the little that I know about Xtianity is that Jesus died on the cross (christian belief) for the sins of humanity (catholic version, the rest disagree with this belief). Some of Xtianity’s beliefs circle around Jesus’s crucifixion. The New Testament (NT) talks about this in details, I mean here you have the gospel according to St John and St Matthew, Acts, cornithians etc talking about an event that is summed up in 2 verses. There’s gotta be more to it than that. Must be something political at that time/era I think.
Here, go through the following links. Then we can discuss more maturely rather than taunting, questioning and telling me to read quran. Now I am not a religious person; more logical than relgious and here Quran leaves me to my imagination which I find hard to believe gotta be more to it than that.
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Gilchrist/Vol2/6c.html
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a42.htm

Mal1k: :rotfl: sorry that you got the site block msg. The Arrabooboos are trying to hide reality from the general public. Shame on them. But it’s OK come to U.S or U.K and you can browse the real web, not the gov’t sanctioned web sites.

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dude, I dont like arabs, but that site doesnt prove anything. I dont need to come to US or UK to check that site. Im a techie, I can evade proxies. I already surfed that site & found out that our ISP has a legitimate reason to block that blasphemous site

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^^ good I am happy that you got to surf the site evading proxies. Your ISP doesn't have a legitimate reason, more like a personal reason to be blocking sites. There is no legality in blocking religious sites that are blasphemy free.

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Verizon, ur digging up wrong sites for your answers.
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Why don't you point me to the right weblinks besides the two verses in Quraan.

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^ I have contacted the ISP for the reason for blocking that site, reasons - to get a better insight on why they blocked it.

Let me give you the appropriate links veri, give me some time

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Interesting thread. Didn't know a lot about this event. Also I was surprised that Ahmadi's believe in cricifixion (somewhat I think).