'Pashtunistan' Issues Linger Behind Afghan-Pakistani Row

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Most of the period since 1947, Afghanistan has tended to be closer to India.
Current tensions between Afghanistan and Pakistan are actually nothing new. They have been the normal state of relations between those two countries ever since the founding of Pakistan in 1947. Afghanistan was the only member of the UN General Assembly at that time to vote against the admission of Pakistan, on the grounds that it had not given the right of self-determination to its Pashtun inhabitants – and particularly those in the tribal territories. Afghanistan has never recognized the Durand Line between the two countries as an international border.
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Afghanistan: ‘Pashtunistan’ Issues Linger Behind Afghan-Pakistani Row

By Ron Synovitz
Pakistan/Afghanistan - Pakistani paramilitary troops guarding a checkpost on the Pakistani-Afghan border in troubled North Waziristan, 15 Sep. 2005

Recent tensions between Kabul and Islamabad show that mutual suspicions still exist in an old dispute known as the “Pashtunistan question.” And it is a question with a fundamental bearing on foreign policy.

PRAGUE, March 24, 2006 (RFE/RL) – The idea of a Pashtun national homeland along the Afghan-Pakistan border has been largely dormant for the last 40 years. Dormant – but unresolved. And now, arguments from the century-old debate are surfacing again in a way that is affecting the international effort against terrorism.

For many ethnic Pashtuns, the notion of ‘Pashtunistan’ is an historic homeland that was divided in 1893 by the “Durand Line” – a 2,450 kilometer demarcation line drawn by a British cartographer through Pashtun tribal lands to suit the defensive needs of British colonial India.

For Islamabad, the issue represents a territorial claim against Pakistan – particularly parts of Pakistan’s Baluchistan Province and the tribal regions where Pakistani security forces are battling pro-Taliban militants. The reason is that Pakistan inherited the Durand Line from British colonial India as its northwestern border with Afghanistan.

An Old And Pivotal Dispute

A boy studies in an Islamabad madrasah (epa) A boy studies in an Islamabad madrasah (epa)As Barnett Rubin, an expert on Afghanistan at New York University’s Center for International Cooperation, says, “the current tensions between Afghanistan and Pakistan are actually nothing new. They have been the normal state of relations between those two countries ever since the founding of Pakistan in 1947. Afghanistan was the only member of the UN General Assembly at that time to vote against the admission of Pakistan, on the grounds that it had not given the right of self-determination to its Pashtun inhabitants – and particularly those in the tribal territories. Afghanistan has never recognized the Durand Line between the two countries as an international border.”

Rubin says Pakistan’s concerns about Pashtun territorial claims had been one of the reasons why “old-school elements” within Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence supported the Taliban during the 1990s.

He says the issue also underscores why it was in the interests of Pakistan’s foreign policy goals for madrasahs to provide a fundamentalist Islamic education to the children of the millions of Afghan refugees who fled to Pakistan during the 1980s and 1990s.

Pakistan “did have a long-term commitment, going back 30 years, towards supporting ethnic Pashtun religious extremists in Afghanistan in order to ensure that an Afghan government would side with Pakistan against India – and would not raise the issue of the Pashtun territory,” Rubin says.

The reason is that “Pashtun Islamists are not nationalists and do not support that kind of ethnic issue against a fellow Muslim country – unlike the Pashtun nationalists.”

Rubin also links the tensions between Islamabad and Kabul to Pakistan’s concerns about the strengthening of ties between India and the government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

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“This is, of course, embedded within the competition in South Asia between Pakistan and India,” he argues. “Throughout most of the period since 1947, Afghanistan has tended to be closer to India, which it uses to balance Pakistan. The government of Hamid Karzai has also resurrected the old policy of former Afghan governments of having direct relations between the Afghan government and Pashtun political leaders and tribes within Pakistan.”
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Catching Al-Qaeda, Not Catching The Taliban?

A Pakistani soldier on the site of a market destroyed in fighting in early March between Taliban militants and security forces, town of Miran Shah in North Waziristan (epa) A Pakistani soldier on the site of a market destroyed in fighting in early March between Taliban militants and security forces, town of Miran Shah in North Waziristan (epa)Ahmad Rashid, a Pakistani journalist and author of the book “Taliban,” agrees that the Pashtunistan debate and the strengthening of Afghan-Indian ties are both sources of concern for Islamabad.

Rashid says officials in Kabul think Islamabad has often turned a blind eye toward Taliban fighters in Pakistani territory over the past four years because some elements in Pakistan still want to use fundamentalists to influence the policies of the Afghan government.

“Pakistan is doing quite a lot to catch the Arabs and Al-Qaeda,” Rashid says. “But the Afghan accusation stems from the fact that [Kabul] believes Pakistan is differentiating between catching Al-Qaeda and not catching the Taliban.”

Rashid notes that as relations between Kabul and Islamabad have deteriorated, Pakistani officials have resurrected old accusations against Afghanistan. For example, Islamabad recently accused Kabul of supporting Indian agents along the Afghan-Pakistani border. It also has accused Kabul of aiding separatist movements by ethnic Pashtuns and ethnic Baluchis on Pakistan’s side of the border:

“Pakistan is saying that Afghanistan is interfering in Baluchistan [Province and that] it has allowed India to support the insurgency in Baluchistan through its consulates in Kandahar and Jalalabad,” Rashid says. “Pakistan is also saying now most recently that Al-Qaeda militants are arriving from Afghanistan and stirring up trouble in [the ethnic Pashtun tribal region of] Waziristan.”

Washington And The ‘Pashtunistan Question’

Villagers in North Waziristan flee from fighting between Pakistani security forces and Taliban militants in early March (epa) Villagers in North Waziristan flee from fighting between Pakistani security forces and Taliban militants in early March (epa)Teresita Schaffer, director of the South Asia program at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, says the United States is trying to encourage Afghanistan and Pakistan to have the best possible relationship. But she says the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush does not seem to realize the sensitive nature of Pakistani-Afghan relations.

Afghan Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah has been telling journalists in Washington this week that the West must have a better understanding of what he called “the continuing war of words” between Kabul and Islamabad. Abdullah says disagreements between the two countries must been seen in the context of “domestic and regional” relations as well as the international war against terrorism.

On March 23, Karzai told a counterterrorism conference in the Turkish capital, Ankara, that extremist tendencies and terrorism in Afghanistan have emanated from “political agendas and the pursuit of narrow interests by governments.”

Referring to Pakistan’s support for the Taliban during the 1990s, Karzai described the rise of the movement as a kind of “hidden invasion propped up by outside interference and intended to tarnish the national identity and historical heritage” of Afghanistan.

Samina Ahmed, an Islamabad-based expert with the International Crisis Group, says relations between Kabul and Islamabad are likely to worsen if violence in the border region escalates during the coming months. Ahmed says Islamabad is particularly concerned about how the dispute affects Pakistan’s relations with Washington.

Re: 'Pashtunistan' Issues Linger Behind Afghan-Pakistani Row

Contrary to what people assume..Afghanistan has never exploited Pakistan's weaknesses..if this blatant pro India bias was true..in 1947 and 1971 Afghanistan would have attacked Pakistan..in both cases Pakistans situation would have been untenabe. While there is a very significant anti-Pakistani lobby in Afghanistan..some with real grievances because of Pakistans role post 1989 ..a lot of it is posturing.

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Unforetunately Pak-Afghan relationship has ot do with this issue, adnw ill always be that way since ther are 22 million pashunts(afghans) living in Pashtunkhwa.

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Didn’t they try with some lashkars or whatever they called their tribal armies?

I’m surprised Afghanistan didn’t do anything in 1971. That could have easily led to Pashtunistan and end of Pakistan. I wonder what the internal situation was in Afghanistan in 71.

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It would have escalated out of control… US would never allow that, particularly with the USSR around the corner…

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thats not really true PP..while America would not have been happy at the loss of an ally..the US has never intervened militarily for an ally unless its own interests were seriously in danger...the only nation which the US has gone to the extent of nuclear warfare for is Israel (surprise surprise lol). Yes both nations have meddled in each others affairs..in the late 50's and 1960's Afghanistan did encourage trouble..similarly in the 1970's Pakistan returned the favour by helping out Gulbadin Hekmatyar and Rabbani but realistically Pakistan was in no state to put up a fight in 1948 and 1971..in '48 it was those much hated tribals who were busy fighting in Kashmir ata time when the Pak army initially didn't even have enough guns to use..similarly in 1971 the situation was even worse in real terms because the Army had no effective command structure left. Contrary to the misconceptions till as late as 1958 a confederation between the two was almost a done deal.

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If america could warn india, I don’t think afghanistan (soviet bloc) would have fared well and attacked Pakistan.

But the main point is that do pathans of pakistan really care to go with afghanistan? I mean look at that era and you would find the pakistan army more pashtunized than now and they fought with these lashkars than join with them.

I guess the cheap selling of the eastern pashtuns by afghan king in 1893 didn’t and doesn’t go well with many pashtuns in Pakistan?
Now who knows that these same afghan rulers will sell the eastern pashtuns again to a higher bidder when the time and choice is right? :halo:

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Contrary to the misconceptions till as late as 1958 a confederation between the two was almost a done deal.
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What and which confederation?
Tell us more.

And on the US interests point, I think W. Pakistan served US interests more than for example E. Pakistan. Pakistan with IRan and saudis were key US stageposts for anti-Russian activities and US of A wouldn't want anything against that especially when the U2 flights originated from Peshawar.

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hahaha! Zakk Baboo Khan or is it Lucknawi Khan.

Afgahoonis attacking Pakistan with what? Those theree-Not-Thereee Darra rifles?

Basket case pipsqueaks want to have a say, so have a say. The biggest war by these Afghoonis has been dallah giri for either Ruskies or Bharatis. That kid of Dallah Giri was on until Afghani @$$ was whooped by Kommies. Now that @ss is getting "healed" by American jelly so the same Afghan-pipsqueaks rise again.

No matter what, the next time you guys get into trouble, just come by and we'll feed you, clothe you, so that you can go back to your caves.

You can't take care of your @r$$ whooper Gen. Dostum and you want to attack Pakistan. hahah.

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Yo Antiobl, it wouldn't kill if you could speak a little more respectfully, Its hard taking you seriously, and its not funny or witty. No offence. Plus, since when did Pakistan not indluge in "Dalla giri" or whatever flashy vocab you have, lol. However, you are right that right Afghanistan doesn't have the manpower or military to take on this issue. It needs time to heal the wounds of the past 25 years of war.

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LOL I love reading all this grandeur about Afghanistan
To all the Afghanis on this website I dont mean offense.
But that country is a joke. Its ruled by a former Cab Driver from the US the CIA installed. They have no resources and no outlet to the sea. The literacy and per capita GNP are so low they cant be recorded. Last week the EU banned the Afghan NATIONAL Airline as unsafe :D
AHHAHAHA, first get a way to fly in and out of your country that does'nt involve landing and taking of in PAkistan, then come talk trash about how terrible Pak is.

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Afghanistan has went through immense war and devastation. Sure many of them are not helping their situation, but it will take time. About EU, lets not forget how Germany was isolated and in a bigger craphole after world war 2. Poeple here are critising certain policies, its not differnt when pakistani posters will post stuff happening in India. Some topics are so outlandish, one wonders the point behind them. The grandeur with Afghanistan has to do with its history which has been defended by us pashtuns(Afghans) on both sides of te durand. There is not a pashtun tribe I know that hasn't laid their life to defend Afghanistan, and its pride. Afterall it is the pashtun motherland, it bears our name/identity. I don't care how proud of Pakistan a pashtun can get (nothing wrong in that), but he/she can't deny the importance of Afghan, pashtunwali, etc to our identity. Emotion and what not aside, Afghanistan is in a terrible place, this is probably the darkest times of our Pashutn history, but theres always hope. We are well aware of it, those who can't are sad sad kids who can't see reality from fantasy.

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But consider what could have happened had Pakistan had ceased to be… The Afghans could have taken a huge swathe of our territory, and then the door would have been open to Communist expansion even past Afghanistan and into Pakistan… This would have given the Russians more influence on oil routes and could exert more pressure on the the US and he allies.
Would the US have been willing to allow that? This is just my assesment…

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Bacha I admire your patriotism towards pashutn unity. Kho kapa nashay ror, no need to call others shudars.

Pa dranakht.

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Soomro & PP: The confederation issue was very well known in the 1950's it was essentially agreed upon by the Afghan leaders and many Pak leaders..it would have simultaneously ended any talk of the pakhtunistan issue unfortunately Isander Mirza raised objections at the last minute and the talks collapsed..after that Ayub Khan took over and the issue was dropped. Its been mentioned in Iskander Mirzas autobiography as well as by other writers at the time. If you want some names pm me..

With regard to US interests: In 1971 the U-2 flights had long since stopped Pakistan was still under a US embargo and the US key ally in the region was not Pakistan it was Iran..US-Iran relations till the Islamic revolution were far closer than US-Pak relations... as far as weapons were concerned..the only reason the US flexed it's naval power in the Indian ocean was to warn against direct USSR involvement and as a "thank you" to Pakistan for brokering the US-China deal. As I said the US has never militarily intervened for an ally unless its own interests were attacked, it did not intervene to stop the fall of the Shah in Iran..and it didn't even intervene to help Britain in the falklands war..that is just superpower logic..being a US enemy is dangerous but being a US ally can be fatal unless your nations name starts with I and ends with L. I take your point about territorial acquisition though the US may have forced a ceasefire eventually but who knows how bad things would have reached by that stage?

, the Indians held back because it was militarily a waste of resources to invade West Pakistan..but even so the Pak Army was in ruins at the time and even in the beginning of the 1971 war when India had focussed forces against India the Pak Army leadership had bungled offensive operations..so a small force invasion from the West would have been a disaster. In the end at those critical moments in 1947-48 and 1971 ..the simple fact is Afghanistan did not intervene..either out of kindness or weakness.

Dabz: Don't mind antiobl..his bark is worse than his bite..but I do admit his bark is pretty loud.

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united we stand, divided we fall…

while south asians muslims are fighting each other with words and stupid comments, on internet boards as well as on diplmatic talks…
China and India are rising, nuclear powers, sending satelites in space…are making the US and europe shake their legs…

come on guys: WAKE UP!!!

stop fighting like lil boys in school playgrounds …to see under girls shirt :rolleyes:

Irran has oil and nuclear plants, Pakistan has gas, agriculture, workforce and bombs;)…Afghanistan has mountains, frightening beards and poppy!!
Together we have the power to rise and play seriously on the inbternational scene;)…;think about mughal empire;)

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So, what are you going to do with the beards and only afghani’s have beards?

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:rolleyes: that’s a very constructive post…you’re not near to be neither a king nor a shah…with such a lack of knowledge and imagination…what do beards stand for?

i’ won’t detail the thought for you…either you have brain enough to understand …or you can read cafe posts:D

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You guys respect Pakistan, and the favor will be returned in kind.

A tiny basket case of 10 million people mostly jangli and tribals, doesn't have a chance in invading anybody. Heck this dirt poor corner of the world has been invaded so many times now that it is hard to figure out whose kids are playing where.

Pakistan may have gotten hurt fighting Bharat. However we showed the courage and at least gotten in the ring. What if we got a bloody nose.

Girtay hain Shahaswar hi maidaan e jang main.

OTOH, Afghanistan has nothing to show in its recent history. That's why you guys have go back 100's of years.

Bharat never had stamina or wherewithal to invade the West. Every time things got hot, Bharatis were the first to make a run for the UN.

Who ran to UN in 1948 crying Bapoo Ji? Bharat.
Who ran to UN in 1965 crying Bapoo Ji? Bharat
Who ran to UN even before 1971 crying Bapoo Ji? Bharat

We may be a smaller country compared to Bharat, but our heart and brains are no smaller.

Bharat bought lots of tanks, we got some too
Bharat bought lots of planes, we got some too
Bharat bought some missiles, well we got some too

Bharat got few nukies, well Mr. Awghan Ji, we got some too and we won’t hesitate using them to defend ourselves.

What does Afghanis has to show for the last 100 years?
Nothing, zilch, nada, neit!

So go easy on rhetoric O Kabuli Kommies. Next time something happens, we will still treat you as brothers even if you behave as snakes. Kapeesh!

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Pakistan zindabad, and the imaginary pashtunistan murdabad and nicols quit your stupid anti-pakistan rhetoric you Indian flea!