Pasha sought Arab govts consent for sacking zardari

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bhai... tabiyat theek hai????????

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what a blog post of pasha visiting some arab country has to do with army budget : s whipping boy was in response to accepting anything anyone says against army/ isi, when someone says similar stuff about america why do we always ask for evidence? and when someone says this about pakistani institution we are all ears and ready to accept anything. now dont say that army deserve this, thats one easy way out

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there is a big difference... the memo exists physically, the receipient of the memo accepted that, and the meaning of words which are written in the memo cannot be altered to make it something different.

in this case, there is no evidence, he's head of "secret service" he may have some business about anything, he may be there to discus handover of osama's families to their country of origin? that is he he went there.

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Mansur Ijaz has denied he making the reported statement about General Pasha.

**Mansoor Ijaz backtracks on text message about DG ISI Gen Shuja Pasha

**KARACHI: Mansoor Ijaz the US businessman at the centre of the memogate scandal has backtracked on his text message regarding DG ISI General Shuja Pasha.

A blog published in The Independent gave reference to a text message in which Ijaz said that a senior US official had informed him that DG ISI Shuja Pasha had approached senior Arab leaders about removing President Zardari and that permission had been granted.

The message published on the blog states: I was just informed by senior US intel that GD-SII Mr P asked for, and received permission from senior Arab leaders a few days ago to sack Z. For what its worth. It is clearly written in the message that permission was asked for and given.

However Ijaz speaking on Geo News program Lekin said the following: “no one ever said to me (Ijaz) that General Pasha received permission from somebody to conduct a coup, that’s not what they said.”

Ijaz goes on to say “what they said was that he had toured Arab countries right after the bin Laden raid taken place and that he had in fact made clear to those Arab leaders that he met with that there were a significant degree of stress if you will between the civilian sector and the establishment about laying blame on what….again these are intelligence sources which are talking to me, I don’t have a transcript that says that, I don’t have the notes of a meeting in which any of those things were said.”

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Quite frankly they do deserve it because nothing in Pakista can challenge them. It is not an easy way out but a simple fact of life. We spend a lot of time defaming Zardari and co yet not equal time defaming those who are just as bad if not worse. Are Fauj is not holier than thou.

My comment was in reply to you saying the isi/army are usa's favourite whipping boys.....I was just replying saying why they deserve to be....maybe it will be a blessing for Pakistan in the long run?

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I think most people in this forum will tell you and have given up on expecting the words of** PASHA and decency in same sentence.**

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For all you know he could have gone there to explain, what happened...may be to assure them they have no idea of OBL's presence in Pakistan...after all Arab establishments were very vary of OBL despite the fact its Arab population that may have funded him.

Pakistan's history and lack of institutional governance is the reason for this kind of BS gains currency. It's diplomat's job but Spy chief went to do. Even if he had gone their on civilian government's instruction (may be not), even if its a fact that Arab royals only trust the Pak military, it is going to raise questions.

I will say this again, even if it means a decade or two of corruption and inefficient governance, the only way Pakistan can move forward is to get rid of Army's role in domestic and foreign policy. I am not saying democracy is the only way, even in a one party rule system, it's politicians who run not men khaki who are not trained to rule.

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^ there are so many different accounts of OBL being sheltered in Pakistan, that I dont know if we will ever know the truth.

  1. Some sources state that he was already dead and the operation was farce

  2. some accounts state that the arabs were infact paying Pakistan to keep him under house arrest (as he was a problem for them). In that scenario I am pretty sure Pakistan, Arabs and the Americans knew all along where he was. Anyways, here’s one news which was published in Telegraph a couple of months ago.

  3. It was incompetence of the military that they couldnt find him living near to a sensitive area

**Osama bin Laden ‘protected by Pakistan in return for Saudi cash’

Raelynn Hillhouse, an American security analyst, claims his whereabouts were finally revealed when a Pakistani intelligence officer came forward to claim the $25m (£15 million) bounty on the al-Qaeda leader’s head.

**Her version, based on evidence from sources in what she calls the “intelligence community”, contradicts the official account that bin Laden was tracked down through his trusted courier.

Pakistani officials have always denied that bin Laden was sheltered or that Islamabad had any knowledge of the secret mission that killed him.

**But Dr Hillhouse, who is known for her links to private military contractors that work extensively with the CIA, says Pakistan gave permission for a covert mission which would then be covered up by claiming bin Laden had been killed in a drone strike.

“The [Inter-Services Intelligence] officer came forward to claim the substantial reward and to broker US citizenship for his family,” she writes on her intelligence blog, The Spy Who Billed Me.
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**“My sources tell me that the informant claimed that the Saudis were paying off the Pakistani military and intelligence (ISI) to essentially shelter and keep bin Laden under house arrest in Abbottabad, a city with such a high concentration of military that I’m told there’s no equivalent in the US.” After confirming bin Laden’s presence in the military town, the US approached Pakistan’s military leaders securing their co-operation in return for cash and a chance to avoid public humiliation.

**The theory, if true, would explain how American black hawk helicopters were then able to fly deep into Pakistan territory in May without encountering resistance.
The plan only unravelled when one of the helicopters crash-landed, blowing the cover story.

“The co-operation was why there were no troops in Abottabad,” writes Dr Hillhouse. “It had always seemed very far-fetched to me that a helicopter could crash and later be destroyed in an area with such high military concentration without the Pakistanis noticing.” In the immediate aftermath of the raid, some residents of Abbottabad, where bin Laden had lived for five years, said they had received mysterious visits a night earlier warning them to stay inside with their lights off.

However, a senior Pakistani security official denied that the ISI had sheltered bin Laden.

“We don’t use toilet paper – we wash,” he said. “But toilet paper is all this theory is good for.”

A spokesman for the US department of defense said: “We have no additional operational details, or comments on operational details, to make at this time.”

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lo kar lo gal…

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MiNOaWQ9NTU3OTY=SC moved for dismissal of DG ISI

 Last Updated On **19 December,2011 About  2 hours ago

A constitutional petition was filed in Supreme Court seeking removal of DG ISI Ahmad Shuja Pasha from his office as he held meetings with Arab countries to oust President Zardari which caused unrest among people and democratic circles.

The petition was filed by Engineer Muhammad Jameel.

**He contended that the DG ISI has taken oath under Article 244 of the constitution that he would not participate in politics but he has disqualified from his office as he held meetings with Arab states on political basis.

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^^ Can the petitioner prove in the court that Shuja Pasha has actually met the Arab Leaders and have asked for their consent to sack Zardari?

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^ has anything ever been proven in our courts? there have been so many cases of known looters (of national wealth) and terrorists (Malik Ishaq of Lashkar e Jhangvi); after a few years each of them has been released (without any charges)...this wouldn't be any different!

the only thing is that if a case is launched against zardari, the SC does not even wait for a second to entertain it, but against the ISI chief we will have to see what happens!

A case has been made against memogate, when will a case be launched (and accepted in SC) against those who sold the whole country to the Americans?

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^^ You are missing the entire point here...

The Memo Gate case is not against zardari or anyone, not at this stage, Yes PPP want to show it that it is against them...

The Petition about the MG Scandal was to found that if it is real or not... if not, then Why Hussain Haqani was sacked and if yes, who are the master minds... is that wrong?

Answering the Petition, Babar Awan, was clearly frustrated as always, he was acting like yes Govt aka, Gillani and Zardari have their hands in the MG scandal, and then, Army said yes the MEMO is Real where as Federal Govt negated it??? Now how would you know if the MEMO is for real or not, what if Army is just pressurizing the govt and there is no reality of such memo??? all things should be opened in the court, why many among us and in PPP specially are against this hearing??

Now about Sacking of an on duty officer, the rules of game is different, one cannot be sacked just because there is a blog written on it, there should be a prove for it, if not, then you like it or not, the man is innocent of the charge...

Go ahead and file petition against Mushy? but the case of treason can only be filed by the Federal Govt ( correct me if i am wrong)

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^ No one will launch a treason case against Musharraf (not even NS)...if a case is launched Kiyani, Zardari and Gillani will make sure that it fails! i am not sure, maybe the government has to launch a treason case.

I am not asking Pasha to be sacked, even Zardari has not been sacked. At least the ISI chief can be called in court and it can be investigated if he really did visit the arab countries for getting their support. Anyways there's a case against drone attacks in Pakistan (99% of them have been carried out under Kiyani and Pasha) I am not sure what has been the progress of SC in that aspect (have they asked the COAS and the ISI chief of their views about that issue?). Or even if that case has some importance in the eyes of the SC? Even the disappeared people's case is out of the radar now for some time.

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^^ It is being said that, Zardari had the best opportunity to nullify any or all influences Army establishment are having on the political elite, with NS as an opposition on same page, with Judiciary being hurt by the same Army Establishment, he could have easily taken Mushy to the courts and how knows could have got him death sentence !!! but the personal interest of Zardari were more important, yes and that is reason Army Establishment as been immune to anything so far... now who gets the blame??? Army or Zardari for not taking initiative to tackle the mighty army and its influence for good...

What a naive thing would it be asking the "Mulzim" and that is head of most sensitive defense agency of Pakistan to come to court and tell the court that he didn't seek any consent of any arab leader in his official visits to those states... he can say that by a letter as well, then after every news of such kind, all he have to do is prepare a TARDEEDI bayan... for this of things, you need evidence..

The Disappeared People Case, reminds me of Amna Janjua, she did all she could have done, even IK was standing with her and then was some commission formed, but then what happened, no news about Amna Janua any more, IK or PTI does not speak of her at all...

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What an army cheif and spy cheaf, 24 hours in news and discussions everywhere .

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^ because our politicians are incompetent to make any good news, they get away with making bad news about others.

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but Zardari, Gillani are 24 hours in news/discussions everywhere too, so does that mean they are all equal in this regard?

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Ijaz is a liar
ISPR denies allegations of UK paper](Redirect Notice)He is right
COAS tells SC proof of memo conspiracy available‎Who will decide ?

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RAWALPINDI: The Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) on Wednesday strongly and categorically denied contents of an article, published in daily The Independent, UK in which it made assertions regarding Director General, ISI’s visit to Arab countries.

According to a press release issued by ISPR here, “An article was published in the daily The Independent, UK on December 13, 2011, in which Mr. Omar Waraich has made false assertions regarding DG ISI’s visit to Arab countries”.

It has been said that the DG met senior Arab leaders and asked permission for a military coup in Pakistan.

The story has been published without verification at any level.

It is clarified that DG ISI did not meet any Arab leader between May 1-9, 2011 as mentioned in the article.

The DG ISI’s other visits to Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and UAE only, prior to or after this period, were part of routine intelligence sharing activity, during which he interacted with his counterparts only.

Contents of the article are strongly and categorically denied. A legal notice is being served to the newspaper to retract the story and apologize," it concluded. (APP)

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Mansoor has already clarified in other way.
News was true
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