Parvez Elahi for PM?

Re: Parvez Elahi for PM?

well its not only lahore, its whole of punjab.

i repeat, and spoke should open his eyes and read carefully.

  • for the first time a punjab gov, have concentrated out of lahore, and developed other citys.

-$1 billion ring road, even thought most of the is still under construction, its a major development

-liberty market re development i posted a thread on this a while ago, its an excellent project, the market was in such a bad state, and also redevelopment of other markets in lahore

-industrial estate projects liek sunder estate which has become pakistan largest industrial estate, then another one in multan and then theres M3, will be one of the biggest in asia which will generate 4 million jobs.

  • tons and tons of new roads have been made all over punjab

-and then comes the massive lahore metro project, which isnt started yet but will be soon. and this will be a milestone when comleted

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dude no one is denying their corruption, what is wrong with you, i have said it 100 times, they have developed punjab more then the previous gov.

btw. do you have the source of that article.

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Lol this is what you listed his achievements as. And buddy I am from Punjab, and I know he didnt do jack for Punjab. Agriculturally, our country is losing out due to many reasons, mainly because of Govt subsideries in other countries, and Cotton competetition from China and India. Now dont give me the 'but he built a parking structure at liberty market example and come up with something concrete. Elahi is a loafer badmaas who belongs in the streets, like his abba jee who used to be a police constable and used to steal animals from farms (he was caught red handed in case you are going to deny that). Such a character doesnt deserve to be a MNA let alone a Prime Minister. P.S. I also remember you mentioned Shiekh Rashid would make a good candidate? :hehe:

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once again, for the 100th time i repeat, no one denys his faults, **BUT HE HAS DONE MORE FOR PUNJAB THEN THE PREVIOUS GOV.**now what part of that dont you understand.
his ring road project and lahore metro is a milestone.
just look at karachi its a much bigger city and they have been trying to get a metro for years but to no avil. and this choudary is bringing out one from no where, while the one in karachi is a dead project, now you will come back and say making a car park in liberty doesnt do anything :hehe:

i guess you will have bb or ns back, well doesnt suprise me.

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Buddy, its you who brings up liberty market everytime. The superficial development you are talking about, this sort of development was eons ahead when Shahbaz Sharif was in power, but building a bunch of roads or spending ridiculous amounts of money in Murree development projects doesnt mean a person knows how to run a country. Shujaat is an unparh gunwaar who is amongst the lowest forms of politicians, worse than anyone else out there. Even the other mushy lovers dont want him as the PM, they wanted Shaukat Aziz back for a 2nd term, but this Elahi dude wants to recreate a nawas like legacy for himself, and also not to mention the fact that they crapped in their pants when they found out Musharraf was interested in a power sharing deal with BB. Thats why they treated Shauky like a used hankie…

P.S. according to the Pakistani const. a loan defaulter cannot contest elections, so what do you have to say about that?

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Found this on chown a while back : :hehe:

Junior Gujarati Chaudhry, Chaudhary Wajahat Hussain is really beating it hard that General Musharraf has given Pervez Elahi the green signal for next Prime Minister-ship of the poor country. Pervez Elahi is also very much confident and now beginning to voice his burning desire to become PM in pubic and party meetings.
After, stroke-fully averting the breakage of PML-Q, and the mass defections of Lotas to PPPP and PML-N, Pervez Elahi is saying that he is the choice of workers of PML-Q, and workers aren’t really that much enthusiastic to once again elect a non-political Prime Minister. Pervez Elahi seems so ‘compelled’ to bow in front of workers’ aspirations and he sees no future for Shaukat Aziz.
Also attack on Ms Zardari by the close aids of Musharraf, which include Information Minister Mohammad Ali Durrani, Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmad et al, has given strong support to the bid of Chaudhris.` Pervez Elahi has even said to media that, the president holds the same view and has assured the PML-Q that the next PM would be from PML-Q, and Benazir is just an eyewash, whereas the exiled leader Nawaz Sharif wouldn’t be allowed to touch Pakistani soil.
Bt launching a fierce attack on Benazir Bhutto, Chaudharies are not only trying to save PML-Q from disintegration, but also trying to sabotage the deal between her and Musharraf. Chaudharies were blissful when Supreme Court suspended the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO), because they knew that NRO is the basis upon which Benazir is in the boat of Musharraf.
Another silent contender for the slot of PM is Mushahid Hussain, who is the Secretary General of PML-Q. He is vying hard for the slot, and even claiming in his close circle that he has got the approval of Musharraf and even of Shahbaz Sharif of PML-N. He is also not speaking a thing against PPPP, and not in sync with Chaudhris. Mushahid is trying to consolidate the factions of PML, and has also got support of Pir Pagara. Things wouldn’t be so easy for Chaudhris this time, as Lotas have also grown more demanding and expensive.

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i dnt bring up liberty market, i bought up all his achivments, its you who ignores them a keeps bringing out, he made a car park facilitie. ofcourse he did but its not the only thing.
there was no development like this even heard of during shahbaz shirff, so i dnt know what you are talking about, no one here has even talked about murree development so i dnt know where that one came from.
being a unpar gwar doent mean you dnt know how to run a country, did your favoirte oxford graduate bb know how to run the country, and ns was just as paindu as elahi,
i also want shukat aziz back, him and mush made a great combo and couldve take the country to the skys in another 5 year period as foundations for the economy have been laid, but he wont be back.

if you look at it relisticly there is no questioning, that out of all the possible canditates, (there all [EMAIL="cr@p"]cr@p, i know) elahi is the better choice

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How old are you? BB is ‘my’ favourite, now unless you can prove where I supported Benazir eat your words. And even a monkey knows that Punjab saw development of the sort you are talking about in Shahbaz Sharifs times, though it was superficial development which doesnt count like jack… No major roads were built during the last 5 years in Punjab either. The only mentionable project was the Islamabad Peshawar link, which was planned way before Elahi saw a dream where he became a PM. Also, you failed to answer one question, as a loan defaulter, the const. forbids him from running as an MNA let alone becoming a PM, something you constantly ignore.

Btw, here is your favourite unparh gunwaar badmaash Elahi campaigning for elections:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\12\16\story_16-12-2007_pg3_8

lol

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old enought to be your farther, but that is besides the point and dnt wnat to get into that.
i never said you supported bb but you are assuming to me that you support her,

and its not about who planned it, its about who actully makes it, planning is done by consulting and hiring a company who specializes in that area, which anyone can do even a bacha, if your favoirte mr shirrf didnt ask anyone to plan it mr elahi would have done it anyway. and the major thing was that ganja hired paindu locals to make these studies and plan the motorway, while elahi brings multinational companies to do them, and thats a major plus point of elahi, maybe hes a unpaar but he also thinks internationaly and when he makes a project he makes sure its on international level not like shirffs who use to do everything paindu style.

saying these develoipments where seen in ganja times is just laughtable, there has been 9999 times more development in the last 5 years in punjab then in the previous 55 years of punjab since independance and skyscrapercity.com is evident of that, so maybe that monkey your talking about has intelletual powers and is brighter then einstein.
and if ring road is not a major road then i dnt know what is.

i by no means support elahi, but the fact is that he is light years better then bhutto or shirff.

as for your allegations on loan defaults i dont know much about it, i asked for imrans letter link but never got it,

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I didnt even mention BB and you come here and start accusing me of supporting BB. Wake up and smell the coffee little kid, even the paid Musharraf apologists here think hes a waste of skin.

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and its not about who planned it, its about who actully makes it, planning is done by consulting and hiring a company who specializes in that area, which anyone can do even a bacha, if your favoirte mr shirrf didnt ask anyone to

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Now Mr. Sharif is my favourite. First you said in your poor angreji that BB was my favourite, and now its sharif. Are you on some sort of medication that you get all these hullucinations? That would explain alot.

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plan it mr elahi would have done it anyway. and the major thing was that ganja hired paindu locals to make these studies and plan the motorway, while elahi brings multinational companies to do them, and thats a major plus point of elahi, maybe hes a unpaar but he also thinks internationaly and when he makes a project he makes sure its on international level not like shirffs who use to do everything paindu style.

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Pervez Elahi has virtually no international contacts. The man is a jahil danggar, nothing else. So stop this babble about him being some sort of visionary and call a spade a spade.

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saying these develoipments where seen in ganja times is just laughtable, there has been 9999 times more development in the last 5 years in punjab then in the previous 55 years of punjab since independance and

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Only in 'your' eyes. Its just laughable, which otherwise we refer to as 'khayaali pallayo'.

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skyscrapercity.com is evident of that, so maybe that monkey your talking about has intelletual powers and is brighter then einstein.
and if ring road is not a major road then i dnt know what is.

i by no means support elahi, but the fact is that he is light years better then bhutto or shirff.

as for your allegations on loan defaults i dont know much about it, i asked for imrans letter link but never got it,
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lol you dont even know about how chaudhry shujaat and pervez elahi are loan defaulters LOLOLOL! even they cant deny they were loan defaulters, and if you dont even know the obvious, you shouldnt be out here advocating them as our prime ministers. You might as well get a danngar janwar from the khets of Gujrat and make it the Prime minister, it would be no diff from making Elahi the praame minuster of Pakustan.

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calling me a retard would not help you prove your points sir, it actully makes you look worse,
and when did i say musharraf supporters like bb, they have always said shes a waste of time

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Now Mr. Sharif is my favourite. First you said in your poor angreji that BB was my favourite, and now its sharif. Are you on some sort of medication that you get all these hullucinations? That would explain alot..
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again these attacks then help you, it makes you look like a small kid, which you are looking like

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Pervez Elahi has virtually no international contacts. The man is a jahil danggar, nothing else. So stop this babble about him being some sort of visionary and call a spade a spade..
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hes a jahil dangar then what is your oxford graduate bb
since when did i say hes a visionary, it looks more like your visionary not mine.

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Only in 'your' eyes. Its just laughable, which otherwise we refer to as 'khayaali pallayo'..
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yes its laughtable in my eyes and anyone who sees the reality.

im still laughting at your comment that shirff had these developments in his era LOLzzzzzzzz

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lol you dont even know about how chaudhry shujaat and pervez elahi are loan defaulters LOLOLOL! even they cant deny they were loan defaulters, and if you dont even know the obvious, you shouldnt be out here advocating them as our prime ministers. You might as well get a danngar janwar from the khets of Gujrat and make it the Prime minister, it would be no diff from making Elahi the praame minuster of Pakustan.
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i asked you for your source for the article you posted 3 times now but you havnt still posted it, i thought you made it up but now i guess its confirmed.

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fine, if you think pervez elahi is an educated darling angel capable of wonders, live in your fools paradise, whereas most people laugh at that clown, even your die hard mushy apologists here consider him to be a joke. Punjab development, my foot... How much do you guys get paid to spread this silly propoganda?

btw, this chump was also CM punjab during YOUR nawaz sharifs times

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Mashallah. A man of experience. :D

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As for as loan defaulting is concerned, EVEYRONE in Pakistan knows they had loans, either you were in hibernation at that time, or you simply dont know enough, or simply chose to ignore it… read whats below, and ab bol? Crooks can never be good, atleast develop the sense to admit that.

Heavy borrowing and large write-offs

By Sultan Ahmed

PAKISTAN borrowed from external sources $15 billion during last four years and the government banks and financial agencies wrote off loans worth Rs33 billion in three years. This has happened not during the civilian rule by the politicians but under a military dominated regime.

If the bank loans had been productively and profitably utilised along with the large loans written off earlier, the need for such heavy external borrowing would have been far less instead of an average of almost four billion dollars a year for four years.

These figures were placed before the Senate by the minister of state for finance Omer Ayub who held back no punches. The massive write-off on an ascending scale began with Rs5.6 billion in 2003, and went on with Rs10.42 billion in 2004, Rs9.908 billion in 2005 and Rs19.338 billion in 2006.

The industrial sector was the major beneficiary with Rs25.82 billion. The trade sector’s write-off was Rs3.21 billion and the agricultural sector got away with Rs2.83 billion. The total number of borrowers who got such write-offs, he said, was 11, 220 in 2003, 17, 869 in 2004, 45,249 in 2005 and 19,378 in 2006. Eleven investors from the industrial sector got away with a write-off of Rs12.37 billion in 2003.

They were the beneficiaries of thousands of sick units in each province. So, in addition to the Rs33 billion loan write-off, they also got subsidies totalling Rs24 billion which makes a total of Rs7 billion.

Trading in Pakistan is said to be substantially profitable particularly in imported goods. That is why most industrial houses have opened their own trading houses for foreign goods and services. Yet they got a loan write-off of Rs.21 billion.

Big agriculturists are famous for their defaults as they follow the bigger agriculturists who have political clout and can get away with almost anything. So, it is difficult to understand why the agricultural sector loan write-off was the smallest with Rs2.83 billion. Anyway, many farm lords obtain loans with no intent to repay and eventually get it written off.

What is striking is that along with a loan default of Rs33 billion which was written off in three years, they also got subsidies of Rs24 billion to make it doubly profitable. Clearly, the outflow of public funds is a continuous process under any system of government.

Such loans were given by government banks and financial institutions often under political pressure or to reward some politicians and often written off following the same kind of political bargaining. Many of the sitting members of parliament are beneficiaries of such write-offs. They include Chaudhary Shujaat Hussain and his family members.

The loans were also given to the friends and relatives of senior officials in Islamabad who controlled the banks and later written off under their influence.

A remarkable feature of such transactions is that the bank officials who give such loans do not suffer any disgrace but the ones who write them off come under a cloud. So the officials are reluctant to both write off the loans and carry the dead load of bad loans in the books year after year. As a result of such transactions, three major banks came to grief, the first was the National Development Finance Corporation, the resources of which were misused and after it was bankrupted it was merged in to the National bank of Pakistan. The second is the Industrial Development Bank struggling under a mass of bad loans, the third was the largest private sector investment bank, Bankers Equity, which folded in a rash of scandals. At its peak, the non-performing loans were around Rs250 billion. Some part of that money has since been recovered.

Some of the borrowers had no intention to repay or planned to repay one or two instalments and then default as they were a large company.

It should also be admitted that one of the major reasons for the large defaults was the very high interest rate charged earlier during Moin Qureshi’s caretaker regime which was 23 per cent and, in fact, 25 per cent by certain banks. The borrowers, even the honest ones, were not able to pay such heavy interest and the default went on multiplying. Heavy interest rate is, often, an invitation to default.

Many industrialists do not want to invest their own money in new projects as the Central Board of Revenue may ask them where they got it from since they had declared small income earlier and no profitability on their earlier projects. They prefer to borrow money from banks and pay interest thereon while keeping their own money in banks on a long-term basis and earning large profits. This ought to be discouraged and more and more investors persuaded to invest their own money.

Some of the defaulters got their loans by bribing senior bank officials and later got off the hook by the same process.

So there has been pressure on the government to privatise banks and it has been forced to yield despite resistance by some officials. Now Habib Bank has gone to the Aga Khan Foundation, United Bank to a UAE group, MCB to Mansha group, while some Pakistanis own Allied bank. And several foreign banks have also come, such as Hongkong Shanghai Banking Corporation. Several Islamic banks have also come in and the most prominent among them is the Dubai Islamic bank.

Meanwhile, the government has borrowed $50 billion in four years – an average of almost four billion dollars a year. The country’s foreign debt which had gone down to $35.47 billion in the year 2004 has risen again to $40.172 billion which includes some foreign liabilities. In the year 2006 Pakistan borrowed $3.014 billion. This has happened in spite of the record home remittances of overseas Pakistanis of $6.5 billion and the record overseas direct investment of $6.4 billion.

In addition, Pakistan borrowed dollar 3.64 billion last year.

The heavy oil import costing over seven billion dollars and the large trade deficit have cost a current account deficit of over seven billion dollars. The World Bank and the Asian Development Bank have cautioned Pakistan that such a large current account deficit is unsustainable and the government cannot depend too much on the home remittances and the overseas and the foreign direct investment for balancing its external accounts. It has to take positive measures to bridge the gulf.

Dr Salman Shah, advisor to the prime minister on finance, says that Pakistan cannot lag behind India in its economic growth rate and has to maintain a growth rate of 7 to 9 percent but that has to be done without excessive borrowing and making the best use of Pakistan’s own resources and without excessive borrowing and loan write off.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/08/25/ed.htm

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cm punjab during ns times was your man shabaz shirff not elahi.

please dude dnt hide away from the facts, i understand you love the oxford graduates, but her work is nothing infront of elahis, i dnt know why you cant accpet it, do you get paid by them to say this. LOL

i dnt spread no propoganda, i only gave facts and listed whole list of elahis achiements its you who spreads false letters about him LOL do you get paid for that is well

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lol so youre saying that elahi isnt a loan defaulter, and its all a propganda? hahaha you are a joke indeed.

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please quote me where i have said that, or is that another thing you have made up

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http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm

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Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain and Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi obtained a loan in the name of the company of which they were both directors, Punjab Sugar Mills
Limited of Mian Channu, from the National Bank of Pakistan. In
1999, Rs.37.987 million was written off, which fact is
recorded in the annual report of the bank for that year. At
the time, Shujaat was the federal minister of interior and
Pervaiz was speaker of the Punjab Assembly.**

Re: Parvez Elahi for PM?

Ive given you plenty of proof that hes a loan defaulter, you on the other hand are just calling me NS and BB lover, and the only accomplishment of elahi gujratiya you could come up was 'he built liberty market' lol