Partition of India weakened Muslims

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Altaf Hussain says that Allama Iqbal had not demanded the establishment of Pakistan in his famous Allahabad address in 1930. He had in fact demanded the creation of Muslim states in the Muslim majority areas like Hyderabad, Lucknow…

MQM chief Altaf Hussain has said the partition of the Indian subcontinent in 1947 weakened Muslims, as it divided their power.

In an interview with Najam Sethi on Dunya News, Altaf said the partition harmed the Muslims, as a result of the formation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and divided their power into three parts.

He said there would have been no partition had the Congress accepted the Quaid-e-Azam’s 14 points.

Partition of India weakened Muslims: MQM

Altaf said few people knew that even Allama Iqbal had not demanded the establishment of Pakistan in his famous Allahabad address in 1930.

“He had in fact demanded the creation of Muslim states in the Muslim majority areas,” he said, adding that Iqbal son Justice (r) Javed Iqbal could confirm this.
Altaf said that both Pakistan and India should learn a lesson from European countries and normalise their relations.

He said it was unfortunate that the ruling elite of India had always projected Pakistan as a threat to India while the Pakistani ruling elite had always ‘taught’ Pakistani masses that India was a threat to Pakistan.

He said several wars had been fought in Europe, including the First and Second World Wars, yet European countries had learnt a lesson from these wars and forged a unity, manifested in the European Union.

Altaf requested the Indian leadership and Pakistani establishment to follow the European example and work towards improving relations between the two countries.

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Re: Partition of India weakened Muslims

There is no right or wrong answer to whether the 1947 partition of India and Pakistan was a mistake. Were mistakes made? Sure. Are mistakes still being made? Absolutely.
The fact remains that for Pakistanis, it is far too dangerous to acknowledge such a question publicly because to question partition is to question the legitimacy of Pakistan (the same goes for Bangladesh). Certainly the younger generations may not have a proper sense of the losses and gains that were suffered by both sides and so any doubts may evaporate with time. It is natural that they feel closer nationalistic ties to modern day Pakistan and not to a greater subcontinent that was bitterly divided over half a century ago. The older generation that witnessed the bloodshed and migration, meanwhile, has good reason to second guess partition given the current political instability.

Like with so many conflicts in history, the partition of India and Pakistan was seen as a way to avoid civil war. Muslims in the now partitioned Punjab, for example, were the most impoverished residents which naturally created a sense of resentment. Many then recognized the opportunity to draw upon the more salient religious identifications as a means of building linkages and drawing distinctions. We mustn't forget that in much of India prior to 1947, Muslims and Hindus for the most part lived harmoniously (as they do today in most of India) and partition by some was seen more as a precaution to avoid religious marginalization following the colonial exodus.

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Cut the crap!!!

If India was so good in giving the muslim majority states to muslims, then what happend to the Hyderabad & Bhopal state, why these states have been divided and merged between different provinces, this division itself shows that if Independent Muslim state have had not created, the Sindh still would have been part of Maharashtra State...

Pakistan was need of time back then and today, we Pakistanis are happy in our homeland, very country have its own share of problem, so does we, if any retard like MQM leaders think that Pakistan was a mistake then he should immediately fix his mistake and go back to India and try to have telephonic addresses to the people of India, convincing them to buy arms to fight the establishment and dividing them on the basis of ethinc differences...

It never too late Altaf Hussain and who ever think that Pakistan was a mistake should consider moving back and let the MISTAKE live on its own...

I bet Altaf and others will never ever do that, as the liberty they enjoy in Pakistan cannot be imagined in the wildest dream in India by Indian muslims..

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Yes there is.

Based on un-emotional dispassionate analysis of the history, it is easy to figure this out.

One way is to send AH and his cronies back to Bihar, and check in 15 years if they are doing better or worse.

While USPs in Pakistan has improved 1000's of times in the last 60 years, our cousins on the other side of the border are still at the bottom of the Indian heap. AH and his goons are just bunch of Idiotic Thankless thugs pretending to be the modern day Jesus Christ and 12 disciples.

From a USP point of view, these statements may sound as "correct history".

However we must be honest in our analysis, otherwise we'll come up with incorrect decision / policies of the future.

FYI.

Muslims areas of Punjab, and Sindh were the regions that Indian Congress and Mahasabhais didn't want. Why?

Punjab, Frontier, and Sindh represented the POWER of Muslims in the subcontinent. And that's why Congress could never truly penetrate these provinces politically (Frontier Ghandi was a mirage that got defeated soundly).

Congress was going to throw these renegades out, regardless of what telephonic Messiah says. Iqbal's Allahbad address happened in 1930s. However Hindu leadership had decided to chop up Punjab, and chop out Sindh 15 years prior. Read the memos and letters between Hindu Mahasabha and even moderate Bengali Hindus like Das.

Just remember the fateful days of 1940s, and recall the 1000s of Large farmers from Sindh and Punjab, Millions of Middle class educated young men from Punjab, and above all Punjab+Frontier's highly trained, million man army.

Indian Congress's fascist and undemocratic leadership would never have allowed a strong opposition coming from Punjab+Sindh+Frontier.

So here is a suggestion for AH and his goons. They all should simply renounce Pak citizenship (he has already done so for all practical purposes), and then go settle in Patna and be with his chums Lallu and Rubri.

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AH is not origninally from Bihar, so why send him back there ? :)

His parents migrated from Agra, which is a part of Uttar Pradesh.

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What's your point here? Do you want Pakistan and India Should unite once again? If not then what is the purpose of posting this thread? Leave Pakistanis alone. You can not backtrack what has happened in last 62 years. Division is now permanent, infact India has to give Kashmir and Hyderabad Dhakkan to Pakistan as decided in 1947.

It was India who broke Pakistan in 1971 and made a separate country of Bengladesh. I wonder why didn't Indra Gandhi made that country again a part of India? From your post you want further distintegration so that Indian dominant in the region should be completed. Isn't it?

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i am happy that at least some one has some non washed brain left to question this, Indian army was full and deep inside east Pakistan, ask your self again why she did not take it, think about it, may be you will find the answer one day, till then at least restrain from teaching next generation wrongly.

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Punjabee. Thanks for the fact checking. The original reference was supposed to be BIMAR states.

As you know very well, what BIMARU means in India. And yes his ancestors are from the BIMARU state of UP.

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why are you shy to tell us here why she did not make East Pakistan as part of India? If you read my full post you will find the answer what I have said. Read again before you give your Indi bahshan.

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India would have taken it, if BDesh was not a pile of $hite. Indira was a smart woman. Once she realized that E. Pakistan would simply add to the BIMARU states of India, she kissed the BDeshi good bye in a jiffy.

Why do you think W. Pakistan spent $billions and E. Pakistan still remained a big pile of you know what.

FYI. Financially E. Pak was a lost cause from day 1.

By 1970, E. Pakistan was taking almost 50% of the yearly budget from W. Pakistan (in today's money roughly $15 billions. And still the Sonar Bangla peddlers were crying hoarse.

And the result was obvious.

When Pakistani $$billions quit coming, and India dumped them too, the situation became really bad.

The result: BDeshis themselves chopped up the WHOLE family of Mujib. No one but one daughter survived because she WAS OUTSIDE the f'ing country. BDeshis were angry that Mujib had made up things.

The reality is that right now BDesh can only must $6-8 billion at their own, and the rest comes from the international funds. While before 1970s E. Pakistanis never cared about borrowing from IMF. They just got cold hard cash, while W. Pakistanis/Islamabad worried about the bills for international loans.

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Send Altaf back to India and let him live in the gutter instead of enjoying his lifestyle in London. How he can stay in power from 5000 miles away and still his monkey's will say yes to everything this jacka** says is beyond anyone.

Pakistan is a home to muslims. It gave us an indentity and a belonging a sense of pride, a differentiation of a seperate nation with Islam as being the identity. If we were still part of india we would be suffering the same way that muslims in India are suffering. We would be following freakin bollywood, we would be eating papadum instead of Haleem, would be rooting for Yuvraj Singh's and we would be fighting gang wars with Hindu gangs. Screw even those muslims in India who curse Pakistan. Let them let them live the way they want and wish them happiness and concentrate on making Pakistan better, safer, honest, prosperous, ghairatmand etc. and lets stop being slaves to Amrika and the yankee dollar.

No dought the leaders we have are the worst lot and probably can't get much worse but also lets hope that the public wakes up and starts pushing up the honest leaders like Imran Khan, Mustafa Kamal, Javed Hashmi etc etc

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looking at how india is and conditions of muslims there i think pakistan is a blessing.

as for bangla part remember creation of pakistan was a novel idea what we did later was our mistakes but idea was nobel, still bangladesh is there and standing .

if you have any doubts please visit india once and you would now despite all of the mess we have where do we stand.

there is difference between perception and reality and todays world perception is created more by what you are shown than reality...

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The conditions of Muslims in India is in very large part due to partition and migration of muslims from India.

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Why is that our business or problem? Muslims that migrated to Pakistan are full fledged Pakistani, they made a conscious choice to move to Pakistan.

If there is such a longing for India or the need to reunite with Indian Muslims, then I suggest that those people move back.

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We must be honest to Pakistan and to the reality.

FYI.

Before 1947, majority of "Indian" Muslims lived in UP, Bihar, and Bengal.

After 1947, majority of "Indian" Muslims lived in UP, Bihar, and Bengal.

FACT

Before 1947, Majority Muslims states of UP, Bihar, and Bengal were BIMARU.
After 1947, Majority Muslims states of UP, Bihar, and Bengal are still .........
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BIMARU.

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Now tell me how has the fate of "Indian" Muslim changed due to the formation of Pakistan.
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ps. no point in discussing the princely states before 1947. Regardless of the religion of Rajas and Nawwabs, those states were bound to disappear, taking with them the princely elite.

Timepass - October 2013
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Altaf is laloo prasad yadav’s cousin, and isnt taken seriously in Pakistan, because hes a chichora ex-cabbie.

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I agree that the BIMARU states were BIMAR for most part of the last century, but the gap widened in the mid seventies and continued to grow.

In regards to why Indian muslims lost due to the formation of pakistan, one of the reason is that many educated, forward looking and progressive mulims left India for pakistan. The muslims of India were left with very few progressive leaders and there was a power vacuum, which was grabbed by the local mullah's. The progressive and secular muslims of India continue to prosper by getting the modern education similar to the Hindus and christians, whereas, muslims, left leaderless and without proper rolemodels continue to languish where they were since 1947.

When you compare muslims with other minorities, like christians and Sikhs, you find that there is a huge gap in terms of overall development.

(On an another note, many of the progressive muslims, who left India to Pakistan, emigrated to western countries later in the century.)

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This sounds plausible.

But most likely a myth.

Remember this. Anyone Muslim in UP or Bihar who is progressive or educated belongs to a progressive and educated FAMILY.

Many such families REMAINED in India because?????? Well they were already established, they had jobs, and above all PROPERTY.

People who rushed to Pakistan in 1947 were mostly from E. Punjab, members of the Indian armed forces, or mostly the low level bureaucrats from Dilli.

USPs who migrated to Pakistan in the 50s were a mixed bag. Some were educated and some were not.

So clearly it is a myth that Indian Muslims lost because they lost educated and progressive members of their families.

It is like saying that Irish were made poorer when bunch of Irish immigrated to USA after the potato famine.

It is simply laughable thing to say.

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burqaposhX,

I have met few Indian Muslims here and they say that they are doing fine in India. They say that it is paki propoganda that Indian Muslims legged behind. They are loyal to India as any other community living there.

India being a biggest democracy, can not afford to neglect or discriminate Muslims living there because of relegion. Their population is perhaps more than Pakistan's population. A virtual Pakistan still lives in India having equal rights with other population.

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Your evidence is anecdotal. Are you going to drop names like Premji, the Khans of Bollywood to prove that the entire Indian Muslim community is doing well?

As for the loyalty issue, that is fantastic. In my experience, I have found Indian Muslims to be more rabidly anti-Pakistani than their Hindu, Sikh counterparts, which is not good. Bear in mind that I am not painting the entire Muslim community in India and they should be loyal to their country.

Population: It is absolutely infactual and misleading to state that India' Muslim population is more than Pakistan. Just googling this information would prove this incorrect.