Does anyone have researched material on parthenogenesis? I know it is well established fact that some animals i.e Sharks can reproduce with male intervention. However is that naturally possible in humans?
We do at least have 1 example of virgin human birth of Hadhrat Esa (A.S). Does female body have capability to reproduce without male? If it had happen once could it happen again?
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This reminds me of the episode of House where he convinced a couple that this had happened to them (as the girl was lying that she hadn't cheated on her husband) and then he was like HAR HAR I'm lying youse are stupid.
It's not naturally possible in mammals, if it were, the offspring would have to female (exact clone of the mother).
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from wikipedia ..
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Induced parthenogenesis in mice and monkeys often results in abnormal development. This is because mammals have imprinted genetic regions, where either the maternal or the paternal chromosome is inactivated in the offspring in order for development to proceed normally. A mammal created by parthenogenesis would thus have double doses of maternally imprinted genes and lack paternally imprinted genes, leading to developmental abnormalities if any were present in the genes of the mother. As a consequence, research on human parthenogenesis is focused on the production of embryonic stem cells for use in medical treatment, not as a reproductive strategy.
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so, altho possible but perfect results are still distant.
It say sound preposterous but parthenogenesis or virgin birth is as old as the human race. It is almost universally accepted among indigenous people that there are/were two types of conception; the normal way between a man and a woman, and for a woman to do so on her own, via the knowledge from the tribal wise-women.
It is said that Buddha's mother conceived her son when in a state of blissful meditation under a banyan tree. Mary conceived Jesus in more or less the same way. It's also been said that Leonardo Divinci, Joan of Ark, Moses, one of our Saint Catherine’s, Moses, (floating down a river in a basket?) Zoroaster and scores more geniuses, visionaries and healers throughout history came about this way. If many of the lower species can and do conceive parthenogenetically I don't think it's too shocking to assume that humans can too. Based on this fact alone I can't imagine why scientists aren’t more curious. A hundred years ago the famous biologist, Jacques Loeb realized that: "The Male is not necessary for reproduction. A simple physio-chemical agent in the female is enough to bring it about." Though no mammals have been known to have given birth parthenogenetically, Jacques Loeb got monkey embryos to fertilize through various means like electrical fields and saline solutions etc.
In the early 70's I read and wrote a review for a book about the Ojibwa or Chippewa people. (Sorry, I can't remember the title.) The author spent a decade re-searching oral stories from the Ojibwa’s old traditional speakers that existed before the coming of the Whiteman. One story was that wise-women of the tribe looked for certain young maidens that possessed grace, intelligence and compassion. Sometimes a candidate for conceiving and giving birth this way wouldn't show up for a generation or two. Nevertheless, these wise-women kept an eagle-eye open for her. When found, men were not allowed to court her. When she reached the age of fertility, her first period, she was instructed to fast for several days and, if willing, was required to dance around a fire in a sacred women's lodge built far away from the village. This ceremony occurred while she was ovulating. Ideally a state of bliss or ecstasy was reached during which, according to hidden wise women knowledge, it would be possible for her to conceive and give birth in the "old Way". They also knew that a child born this way would be blessed with gifts of healing, clairvoyance or leadership. The Great Spirit would give to the child whatever tools the tribe might be in need of. I believe this is what happened among The Essenes along The Dead Sea over 2,000 years ago. Jesus was the result. It's my guess that hey planned it. Also, I might venture to say that this "old way" of conceiving and giving birth was considered a no-no during a time when patriarchy was firmly established.
It say sound preposterous but parthenogenesis or virgin birth is as old as the human race. It is almost universally accepted among indigenous people that there are/were two types of conception; the normal way between a man and a woman, and for a woman to do so on her own, via the knowledge from the tribal wise-women.
It is said that Buddha's mother conceived her son when in a state of blissful meditation under a banyan tree. Mary conceived Jesus in more or less the same way. It's also been said that Leonardo Divinci, Joan of Ark, Moses, one of our Saint Catherine’s, Moses, (floating down a river in a basket?) Zoroaster and scores more geniuses, visionaries and healers throughout history came about this way. If many of the lower species can and do conceive parthenogenetically I don't think it's too shocking to assume that humans can too. Based on this fact alone I can't imagine why scientists aren’t more curious. A hundred years ago the famous biologist, Jacques Loeb realized that: "The Male is not necessary for reproduction. A simple physio-chemical agent in the female is enough to bring it about." Though no mammals have been known to have given birth parthenogenetically, Jacques Loeb got monkey embryos to fertilize through various means like electrical fields and saline solutions etc.
In the early 70's I read and wrote a review for a book about the Ojibwa or Chippewa people. (Sorry, I can't remember the title.) The author spent a decade re-searching oral stories from the Ojibwa’s old traditional speakers that existed before the coming of the Whiteman. One story was that wise-women of the tribe looked for certain young maidens that possessed grace, intelligence and compassion. Sometimes a candidate for conceiving and giving birth this way wouldn't show up for a generation or two. Nevertheless, these wise-women kept an eagle-eye open for her. When found, men were not allowed to court her. When she reached the age of fertility, her first period, she was instructed to fast for several days and, if willing, was required to dance around a fire in a sacred women's lodge built far away from the village. This ceremony occurred while she was ovulating. Ideally a state of bliss or ecstasy was reached during which, according to hidden wise women knowledge, it would be possible for her to conceive and give birth in the "old Way". They also knew that a child born this way would be blessed with gifts of healing, clairvoyance or leadership. The Great Spirit would give to the child whatever tools the tribe might be in need of. I believe this is what happened among The Essenes along The Dead Sea over 2,000 years ago. Jesus was the result. It's my guess that hey planned it. Also, I might venture to say that this "old way" of conceiving and giving birth was considered a no-no during a time when patriarchy was firmly established.
I agree a miracle only happens with the will of Allah. But hasnt Allah created a Law of Nature. Then Allah also mentions in Holy Quran that he does not break his own Laws (sorry cant remember the chapter and verse) Hence doesnt this point out that may be this activitiy can occur rarely in humans? If Marry was able to give birth then surely her body was able to go through such a process.
I mentioned in one of my thread that it is believed that budha also had a virgin birth. As you requested for material..perhaps following links may guide us further:
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So you are saying Quran and Hadith says that only one person had a virgin birth? I dont think you can find any such evidence which precisely says that hence denying unknown would be very incorrect.
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^No i am saying that Quran tells us of virgin birth of Jesus, hence we beleive in it. We do not have proof of virgin birth of any one else. Hence to beleive that anyone else had a virgin birth too, requires scientific evidence which is non-existent.
^No i am saying that Quran tells us of virgin birth of Jesus, hence we beleive in it. We do not have proof of virgin birth of any one else. Hence to beleive that anyone else had a virgin birth too, requires scientific evidence which is non-existent.
Yes I agree...Holy Quran mentions the virgin Birth in contrast of Jesus AS. Similarly it does not reject that such incidents can or cannot happen ie something which is precisely unknown to us. This situation is quiet similar to when Allah says he sent 124000 Prophet to various parts of the Earth for mankind but it only mentions the name of very few. But it does not say that Allah has only sent the Prophets he named. Similarly the Holy Quran is empty with the word that only Jesus AS was born from a Virgin.
Now to your second part...as you said at the moment we do not have any such evidence. I agree there is no such evidence but stamping on the fact that it cannot happen at all then let me tell you people never thought about flying or going to moon but they do now. However this should not be taken as my conclusion on the topic.
Apart from Budha and Jesus I have come accross few more stories where people have declared Virgin Births.
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A miracle cannot be taken as an evidence to existence of a biological or natural process. Miracle is something that contrasts the laws of nature, otherwise it won't be a miracle.
The available scientific evidence suggests that it cannot happen in humans, hence we will maintain this position untill evidence to contrary is presented.
There are two sources of knowledge, divine and scientific. If something is not proven by divine and scientific knowledge tells us it cannot happen, then we have to say that it has not happened.
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The Holy Qur'an has said repeatedly that Allah does not alter His system for anyone and there are many verses in it which make this fact clear. The Holy Qur'an says thus about the Jews who were contemporary with and inimical towards the Holy Prophet: They (the Jews) say: 'Even if we go to Hell we shall not remain there save for a certain number of days '. (O Prophet of Allah) ask them: 'Have you received a covenant from Allah? Then truly He will not break His covenant or do you speak against Allah that which you know not? (Surah al-Baqarah, 2:80) i.e. 'Has Allah given you an undertaking that when the deeds of the people are taken into account on the Day of Judgment, He will deal with you differently as compared with other sinners and whereas they will remain in Hell for ever, you will be subjected to torture for a few days only? Has Allah really made such a confidential promise with you or are you associating with Allah that of which you are not aware?'
Hence I completely disagree with you on the point that Miracle is something that contrasts the laws of nature. This is completely against the teachings of Holy Quran.