Salim safi exposing hypocrisy of PMLN and PTI. PMLN represents old political culture, so no surprise there but PTI came with slogan of change but a lot of it is BS. they are all the same. Parta ja aur sharmata ja!
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Sounds he is making mount of the mole. When a delegation had committed to meet certain authorities in Scotland / UK, why should each and every person return for unfortunate incidents like BKU? Would their return to Pakistan had changed / undone what had happened. I found this totlly cherry picking and biased. Seems he is criticizing for the sake of criticizing.
Still there is no news of any KPK member visiting with family members (which is the tradition with PMLN and others). The writer could not justify why any of the members of KPK assembly were not required to visit Scotland. May be their presence is required for the Agreement to be finalized.
His sentence 'Wazeer e Seht Bartaniya ke hospitals ka mua'ina kar rahe hain' raise a question ' Isn't it a relevant thing to be done by Minister of Health, which may add to his ability to see what can he do back home for health facilities?' I'm pretty sure he skipped the part that KPK education ministers also viisted some universities in UK (he covered it as daawaten uRa rahe hain without telling what kind of daawaten'.
Pure Yellow Journalism? Isn't it. May be title of the thread best suited to the Saafi.
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Sounds he is making mount of the mole. When a delegation had committed to meet certain authorities in Scotland / UK, why should each and every person return for unfortunate incidents like BKU? Would their return to Pakistan had changed / undone what had happened. I found this totlly cherry picking and biased. Seems he is criticizing for the sake of criticizing.
Still there is no news of any KPK member visiting with family members (which is the tradition with PMLN and others). The writer could not justify why any of the members of KPK assembly were not required to visit Scotland. May be their presence is required for the Agreement to be finalized.
His sentence 'Wazeer e Seht Bartaniya ke hospitals ka mua'ina kar rahe hain' raise a question ' Isn't it a relevant thing to be done by Minister of Health, which may add to his ability to see what can he do back home for health facilities?' I'm pretty sure he skipped the part that KPK education ministers also viisted some universities in UK (he covered it as daawaten uRa rahe hain without telling what kind of daawaten'.
Pure Yellow Journalism? Isn't it. May be title of the thread best suited to the Saafi.
muqawwee bhai, visiting Scotland or UK is absolutely not a crime but there are 2 points that safi made which i think are relevant and let me bring them to your attention
if IK/KPK govt is taking credit that it has banned its ministers to travel internationally on govt money and that no kpk minister will ever travel in the business class, then why did KPK CM broke all these rules/regulations for this trip? Now unless the kpk govt comes forward and says that we never made such regulations at the first place or claim that rules are in place but our ministers never traveled in emirates business class on govt money, Safi has a point. we saw the same behavior from KPK govt on protocol abandonment announcement. mamnoon hussain was given full protocol the very next week.
second, you are saying that when a delegation had committed to meet certain authorities in Scotland / UK, why should each and every person return for unfortunate incidents like BKU and Would their return to Pakistan had changed / undone what had happened? that is fine but safi is also making another point that why are KPK ministers making so much noise about PM and interior minster not showing at BKU and PM not returning from UK when half a dozen of KPK important and relevant ministers are also sitting in UK throughout.
For record, I personally believe that PM as well as KPK ministers should have cut down their trips and return upon hearing BKU incidence.
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Imran Khan 'banned' international travel of elected Ministers who often had to go abroad to sign agreements? When? What a lie. Absolute lie. The fact that KPK ministers took their first ever visit after three years of government suggest that what a massive 'change' there had been in cutting down unnecessary international tours.
Lies and absolute lies. Classic case of how yellow journalism sells like hot pancakes in Pakistan.
Excellent decision by KPK cabinet to visit UK to sign of MoU on Health, Education, training on LG, anti corruption. They need every bit of corporation and consultation they can get from developed and progressive countries like UK to raise the standards and efficiency at home.
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I don't know how it is possible for politicians to travel on their own for official visits (dealing with public matters) and expecting to remain corruption free? I know in Sindh and Punjab, its all about feudals and they can travel on their own, if they wish. But expecting this from KPK (where middle class people like Siraj ul Haq are / were part of KPK assembly) is beyond my understanding. If PTI had implemented that policy, then there might be (should be) exception to that, otherwise, being a layman I can see the flaws in such policy.
I'm also sure that not chosing PIA might have some reasons behind it, but the writer seems hell bent to make his point, even when his own statements like 'wazir e sehat bartaniya main hospitals ka mua'ina kar rahe the' tells us either he can't control his emotions over BKU incident or want to encash the incident for point scoring.
PTI supporters will be able to discuss agenda / intention behind all this, but as an independent observer, Salim Safi really did not impress me with his cherry picking attitude in this article.
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Personally, I'm totally against the decisions that owning to some unfortunate incidents back home, delegation went on some official visits to formalise agreements should return home to show they care for the people. This may be applicable to PM / CM, as they have the ultimate responsibility to handle affairs. Otherwise, returning home (without formalising agreements) will lead to opportunity cost (lost of opportunity) and if such meeting is scheduled in future, you will have to utilise / waste public money. If I see from Accountant's perspective (which I'm), I found Salim Safi contradicting his own statements. He is concerned about wastage of public money (for economy / business class distinction) and then he is crying for not returning of the whole delegation and staying there to visit hospitals and universities). You see how much flawed his approach is?
I was reading a book last night and there the writer mentioned that their American University did not cancel the classes on 9/11 and the University Management contended that if they cancel the classes, this will be victory of terrorists as they wanted us to halt. I don't know why such attitude can't be observed in our part of the world.
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I don't how it is possible for politicians to travel on their own for official visits (dealing with public matters) and expecting to remain corruption free? I know in Sindh and Punjab, its all about feudals and they can travel on their own, if they wish. But expecting this from KPK (where middle class people like Siraj ul Haq are / were part of KPK assembly) is beyond my understanding. If PTI had implemented that policy, then there might be (should be) exception to that, otherwise, being a layman I can see the flaws in such policy.
I'm also sure that not chosing PIA might have some reasons behind it, but the writer seems hell bent to make his point, even when his own statements like 'wazir e sehat bartaniya main hospitals ka mua'ina kar rahe the' tells us either he can't control his emotions over BKU incident or want to encash the incident for point scoring.
PTI supporters will be able to discuss agenda / intention behind all this, but as an independent observer, Salim Safi really did not impress me with his cherry picking attitude in this article.
The idea was to cut down on unnecessary international tours which they clearly did. Not to completely ban it - it's impossible. This is the first ever international visit of KP members and that too to the UK where British MPs don't invite third world country representatives to the House of Commons/Lords if they think they don't have any credible agenda. It is so commendable that the agenda was training and consultation on LG, Education. Health and anti corruption.
CM KPK could have went to the UK and signed all MoU on Health and Education by himself, but I think it is a good practice to let relevant Ministries take such tours especially when it directly concerns their respective fields. It is a responsible delegation and due grooming of young minsiters. I wish other provinces also let their Ministers handle their own affairs instead of running the whole province on one man showmanship where instead of cabinet ministers, sons and daughters are signing MoUs.
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Yes Saleem Safi and others, KPK Minister are indeed meeting the local Pakistani and Pashtun community in the UK. They are being invited to people’s places. There are ‘dawatain’ with biryani and naans. Keep throwing tantrums. Maybe if you have the guts you would curse the British Pakistanis for being such generous hosts.
Instead of creators and readers of yellow journalism. I rather have professionals and educated people define what ‘change’ is. Below is the reason why PTI was elected, and why we need system focused change not ‘personality perfection’ change.
For reference, Marc-André Franch is country director UNDP Pakistan whose organisation has been working in Pakistan long enough to know what a real life changing ‘change’ looks like.
Yup here’s a BS change for KPK.
If you go to his actual account. You can see the images of KPK LG structure with allocation of funds.
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muqawwee bhai, visiting Scotland or UK is absolutely not a crime but there are 2 points that safi made which i think are relevant and let me bring them to your attention
if IK/KPK govt is taking credit that it has banned its ministers to travel internationally on govt money and that no kpk minister will ever travel in the business class, then why did KPK CM broke all these rules/regulations for this trip? Now unless the kpk govt comes forward and says that we never made such regulations at the first place or claim that rules are in place but our ministers never traveled in emirates business class on govt money, Safi has a point. we saw the same behavior from KPK govt on protocol abandonment announcement. mamnoon hussain was given full protocol the very next week.
second, you are saying that when a delegation had committed to meet certain authorities in Scotland / UK, why should each and every person return for unfortunate incidents like BKU and Would their return to Pakistan had changed / undone what had happened? that is fine but safi is also making another point that why are KPK ministers making so much noise about PM and interior minster not showing at BKU and PM not returning from UK when half a dozen of KPK important and relevant ministers are also sitting in UK throughout.
For record, I personally believe that PM as well as KPK ministers should have cut down their trips and return upon hearing BKU incidence.
You are really mistaken (if not lying) and all your points are nothing but typical point scoring propaganda of a PMLN supporter against KPK government just because Nawaz Sharif is in hot water for taking "personal holiday" to UK while his country was burning. So let's ensure we do everything possible to make KPK Gov first ever well meaning international trip so controversial.
Some fact checking:
As per Pakistani constitution, President and PM of Pakistan are the only two explicitly defined entities that must be provided with state security at all times. Hence President Mamnoon was given full protocol when he arrived in KPK because a local government cannot refuse to give President or PM due security. That's akin to breaking a major constitutional law. Understood?
You are also lying that PTI "banned" its ministers from travelling abroad. Constitutionally, they cannot impose such 'bans' on elected post holding members. Yes but they as an austerity measure can significantly reduced down international tours of their cabinet which they clearly did. Hence first major international tour after three years.
If you are not lying, show me a passing of an Act or CM order in KPK where international travelling for Ministers is banned. If it is not a law, then why is Safi and others crying?
Provide evidence that IK or PTI said that KPK ministers would "NEVER" travel internationally? Yes provide evidence where the word never was used and over what terms and conditions this resolution was imposed.
Everyone knows Safi has an agenda and shady credibility, quite lame to present his argument as valid and reliable source. I laugh at intelligence and wisdom level of those who think there is absolutely no difference between Prime Minster of Pakistan holidaying in the UK (and not only that he actually extended his trip, but cancelled the NAP meeting) at the time of tragedy and Health Minister of some provisional government being on MoU signing business trip. Are you honestly putting a health minister of some local government at Prime Minster's level? Really?
Lastly, CM KPK cut his trip short and returned home the next flight. He's the ultimate authority in KPK and he was there for his people, and so was Imran! Your PM didn't even bother ringing him to show solidarity. Not a single Federal Minister ever comes to KPK no matter what happens. Yet you have the nerve to question why KPK Health Minister was on a professional trip to the UK?
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Now the burning question is - Will Muqawwee go to UK to celebrate his bday coming next month? Janane ke liye dekhte rahiye Dunya news
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