Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed Imam

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

@Texan_Dude

The following verse was revealed after this, and people gave their oath of alligence to Hazrat Ali AS
“Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.” (Qur’an 5:3)
http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir
What meaning from the ones you mentioned suits best the incident. Also in the hadith if you claim Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H asked us to follow quran and sunnah won’t he tell us who should our source for sunnah be… considering quran testified islam was perfect at the time of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H … or would he leave us to pick and choose the hadith that suits our interest and rule others out dhaeef… Just to give you an example, I quoted a hadith from your Sahih book which asks to follow Quran and Ahleybait and I have heard there is a similar hadith in your books that claims Quran and Sunnah.

I have quoted you Ayats from Quran which talks about obeying the personalities given the authority, at the same time Quran tells us not to obey the sinners and talks about the purity of Ahleybait… Doesn’t the hadith with Quran and Ahleybait suits this description ?
In the light of the following ayat, I have aquestions for you:
O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority;***** and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger****** if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end.***** 4:59]
Question: I have given you some reference on wilayat of Imam Ali and Ahleybait based on the light of Quran… Can you give any ayats that justifies the leadership of Abu Bakr

I think you have only convinced yourself about wilayat of Hz. Ali (ra) Ayah has nothing to do with Imamate of Hz. Ali (ra)!

See the following link for status of Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) in the Quran:

http://www.naqshbandi.org/chain/2.htm

@Texan_Dude

**Again brother I would recommend reading the whole context before jumping to conclusions… Take a part of a text, while ignoring the rest of the passage may lead to wrong idea. I can recall going over the same letter with you awhile back. Following is the background on this letter:
** This is a letter to Mu’awiya and in it Imam Ali (a) has used the same principle that he applied on Talha and Zubayr. Imam Ali (a) in this letter has raised all the points which were once quoted against him. He says if an election on the basis of general franchise is the criterion to decide such a caliphate, then general election took place to elect him the Caliph and nobody can deny this fact, and if limited franchise (Shura) was the criterion then those who represented this group (Muhajirs and Ansars) were amongst those who elected him and therefore even according to the rules formulated by opponents of Imam Ali (a) his election was lawful, regular and bonafide. Thus no Muslim has a right to speak or act against him. **

No my dear Brother, I am not jumping to any hasty conclusions.

Hz. Ali (ra) is using the same logic and reason for his selection as to Khalifah as that of Hz. Abu Bakr (ra)

All that Hz. Ali (ra) is stating is that his selection to Khilafaat was as valid as that of Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) and had the approval and pleasure of Allah (swt), nothing more nothing less.

@Texan_Dude

Read the letter for yourself with a open mind… Lets start by looking at events after the death of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H… When Imam Ali AS was busy with the funeral services of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H a group of mahajirs and ansar met at Sakeefa and elected Abu Bakr as khaleefa, the people who were not present at this event were not allowed to oppose this selection and it was presumed whoever was selected by this shura became caliph as per approval of Allah.
When all the people of Medina unanimously swore allegiance to Imam Ali (AS), Muawiyah refused to comply apprehending danger for his own power, and in order to provide an excuse for his disloyalty, he claimed that since he did not participate in the election, the election of Imam Ali (AS) was unlawful, and thus there should be another general election.

That is wrong! Hz. Mu’awiyah (ra) was demanding that Hz. Ali (ra) hand the murderers of Hz. Uthman bin Affan (ra) his very close relative for Qasas forthwith, whereas Hz. Ali wanted some time to get the situation in control before his could proceed with Justice to brutal murder of Hz. Uthman bin Affan (ra).

@Texan_Dude

This was while Abu Bakr was elected by a very few number of people and there was no national vote so that one could consider the caliphate of Abu Bakr as a result of people’s election. But the rulers who came after the Prophet imposed upon people that this is what election means, and this became a principle imposed on people and assumed to be their verdict that whoever
the nobles of Medina elect would be deemed to represent the entire world of Islam, and no person has right to question it, whether he was present at the time of election or not, and that no one has right to reconsider the matter.

The above has been answered by Hz. Ali (ra) himself!!!

1. And so far as Shura (limited franchise or selection) was concerned it was supposed to be limited to Muhajirs and Ansars
2. whomsoever they selected, became caliph as per approval and pleasure of Allah.
   Nahjul Balaagha - Letter 6