Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed Imam

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

@Texan_Dude

Just to give you some good example just in this particular thread, a fellow guppy nazubillah claimed, there are companinons who have more virtues then Imam Ali, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain AS.… and I raised a number of questions such as
If Imam Hassan and Imam are the Chielf of the Youth of of Paradise, what is the status or position of them do people who have more virtues then them? Similarly i have quoted a few ayats on the merit of Ahleybait and have asked him to show the ayats on companions he claimed to have more virtues then these personalities… and yet he failed to answer any of them yet…
If a person make such claims and places other people over the personality whose love is sign of a believer and failed to provide justifications, would you place him on the person whose love took him away from righteousnes or the person whose hates take him away from righteousness.

That upset you??? – This is the standard belief of all Sunnis of any leanings Salafi/Wahabi/Brelivi/Sufi

94. We confirm that, after the death of Allah’s Messenger, peace be upon him, the caliphate went first to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, thus proving his excellence and superiority over the rest of the Muslims; then to Umar ibn al-Khattab; then to Uthman; and then to `Ali ibn Abi Talib; may Allah be well pleased with all of them. These are the Rightly-Guided Caliphs and upright leaders.

95. We bear witness that the ten who were named by the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and who were promised the Garden by him, will be in the Garden, as the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, whose word is truth, bore witness that they would be. The ten are: Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubayr, Sad, Said, Abd al-Rahman ibn Awf, and Abu Ubayda ibn al-Jarrah whose title was the Trustee of this Community, may Allah be pleased with all of them.

http://www.central-mosque.com/aqeedah/tahawi.htm

Aqeedah Tahawia (The Aqeedah (Beliefs) of Ahlus-Sunnah) Imam Abu Ja`far al-Tahawi:

@Texan_Dude

Now lets look at the second part:
Let me split your highlighted section in two lines:
and be with the great majority (of Muslims)
because Allah’s hand (of protection) is on keeping unity
The second line supports the argument for the first one **(Because). **Imam Ali AS is asking his followers not to divide amongst themselves and be with the majority, not to split up in sects. Definitely, Allah himself does not like divisions.
Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did. Quran [6:159]

Now you tell me who has always been in overwhelming Majority? You have clearly failed to address 90% of Believers (Sunni Muslim) unless you do not consider them to be Muslims thus out of your equation.

Shias have always been a very small minority in Muslims about 10%

It was less so – nearly 5% until in 15th century Safavids with brutal force of arms and slaughter imposed Shiaism on Sunni Iran!!!

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam

Pre-Safavid Iran

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Iran’s population was mostly Sunni of the Shafii[1] and Hanafi legal rites until the triumph of the Safavids (who had initially been Shafii Sunnis themselves).[2] Ironically, this was to the extent that up until the end of the 15th century the Ottoman Empire (the most powerful and prominent Sunni state and future arch-enemy of the Shia Safavids) used to send many of its Ulema (Islamic scholars) to Iran to further their education in Sunni Islam, due to a lack of Madrasahs (Islamic schools) within the Empire itself.[3] The Sunni Iranians had always held the family of Muhammad in high esteem.[4] In contrast, before the Safavid period, a minority of Iranians were Shia and there had been relatively few Shia Ulema in Iran.[5]

*Sunni Ulema The early Safavid rulers took a number of steps against the Sunni Ulema of Iran. These steps included giving the Ulema the choice of conversion, death, or exile[29][30][31] and massacring the Sunni clerics who resisted the Shia transformation of Iran, as witnessed in Herat.[32] As a result, many Sunni scholars who refused to adopt the new religious direction lost their lives or fled to the neighboring Sunni states.[33][34]

*Arab Shia Ulema ** After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulema corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, such as Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Bahrain and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy.

@Texan_Dude

I have tried to clarify things for you, but also in regards to your game of Stats… I am sure you must know pretty well, within Ahley Sunnah their are a number of sects.

Within Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa there are different schools of thought but fundamental beliefs are same.

Despite mutual disputes and recriminations all Sunnis can and do pray behind each other and share the same masjids accept the few hardcore ones.

You erroneously portray Shia as one solid block. Either intentionally or through shear lack of knowledge.

Sects within Shias. These sects do not have same fundamentals.

5ers Zaidis etc these are further split up

7ers Ismailis these are further split up Aga Khanis and Bohras

12ers these are further split up Usulis Akbaris

These shia sects do not share same prayer places and not even calling them as masjids rather Imambargahs or Jamaat Khanas!!!