Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed Imam

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Part 1:The Imams from Ahlebayt whom Shia consider to be their divinely appointed

@Texan_Dude

The twelvers, believe Hazrat Ali AS as the first Imam after Prophet.. but don’t associate him with nazubillah God… Since we do not love Hazrat Ali AS so excessive to claim him God (Shirk taking away from Righteousness)
However I would want to point a hadith of Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. narrated in the Sahih book:
The Messenger of Allah said: **Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of hypocrisy.
**Sahih Tirmidhi, volume 5, page 643
Sunan Ibn Majah, volume 1, page 142
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal volume 1, pages 84,95,128
Tarikh al-Kabir, by al-Bukhari (the author of Sahih), v1, part 1, p202

Please don’t assume Shia means ONLY 12er Shia. There are other sects very distinctly apart from the other.
Shias generally Hz. love Ali (ra) and his progeny to extreme giving them Divine like qualities. Literally making them Demi-gods!!!
Details can be given if asked – you know what they are,
Shias turn to Ali (ra) and other Imams for help. All these are non-righteous beliefs.
The Shias love Ali (ra) and his progeny to extreme.

@Texan_Dude

Now lets ponder on the ideology of love and hatredness, Intellectual laws of love and hatred state three things. Love your friend. Love your friend’s friend. Hate your enemy. Hate your friend’s enemy. How can i even claim to love my father or my mother, if I also love those who troubled them and abused them? Will you love your friend who abuses your righteous father? Can you claim to love your father if you equally love your uncle who over took your father’s business by crook and destroyed him financially? …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
If Mawiya came to war agaisnt Hazrat Ali AS and his companions in the battle of Siffin, would you call him righteou considering the love of Imam Ali AS is the sign of belief as per Sahih bookss? and if a person regards such a person as Ameer ul Momineen… would you call him sincere lover of Imam Ali AS? Just to give you an example, if you consider your dad righteous, and if a person rasises his sword against your dad. Knowing your dad is righteous, and you still support the person who come against him, would you claim that you love your dad? Now would you claim that shias fall in this category nazubillah? .

You have given wrong examples;

Suppose you had two friends or Uncles and they had an extreme friction/fighting.

You will love the one on the Right more than the other. But you won’t hate the other, dislike maybe but not hate.

This is exactly what Hz. Ali (ra) said to his party – Not to hate his opponents because they are Muslims who have rebelled against him.

All Sunnis Love Ali (ra) more that his opponents.

It was Karijites and Nawasib who hate Hz. Ali (ra) and his progeny.

Shia take all Sunnis to be Nawasib just because they don’t attribute divine qualities to Hz. Ali (ra) and his progeny.

Narrated Abu Bakr Siddiq (May Allah be pleased with him): I heard the Prophet talking at the pulpit while Al-Hasan (ra) was sitting beside him, and he (i.e. the Prophet ) was once looking at the people and at another time Al-Hasan (ra), and saying, “This son of mine is a Saiyid (i.e. chief) and perhaps Allah will bring about an agreement between two groups of the Muslims through him.” (Bukhari 5.89)

Above the Prophet (saw) predicted the wars of between Muslims – and predicted that Imam hassan (ra) will bring the two warring Muslim groups into peace.

The following surah clearly states that warfare can take place between the believers.

And if two parties or groups among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both, but if one of them rebels against the other, then fight you (all) against the one that which rebels till it complies with the Command of Allah; then if it complies, then make reconciliation between them justly, and be equitable. Verily! Allah loves those who are equitable. 9 Surah Al-Hujuraat (The Dwellings)