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after answering picoico's question also plz tell how much was the tax under the sassanians ? actually any discrimination against the iranian converts was strongly discouraged under the pious caliphate ....infact Hurmuzan a former persian general was a advisor of Umar(ra)
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Out of curiosity, exactly how much were the persians forced to pay?
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Considering they had to seek refuge in alien land to escape land tax levied in their home land, it should give you the idea.
there are sites that discusses their plight under islamic rule.,But unfortunately im not allowed to post url here until i complete 25 posts here.
This is from vahoman org.
Search- zoroastrian genocide.
General Houtum Schindler summarized the Zoroastrian's plight as "Forceful conversion to Islam, confiscation of their assets and inheritance, extortion of one fifth of the value of property or business for the Moslem clergy, **prohibition of construction of new buildings or repair of the old ones, **prohibition from putting on new dress or ride horse, forceful payment of extra tax (Jizya ), automatic exoneration of the murderers or culprits if they are Moslems and their victim is a Zoroastrian, or if they have attacked or burglarized the Zoroastrian houses or their shelters."
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after answering picoico's question also plz tell how much was the tax under the sassanians ? actually any discrimination against the iranian converts was strongly discouraged under the pious caliphate ....infact Hurmuzan a former persian general was a advisor of Umar(ra)
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Taxes under sassanians did not forced peasants to seek refuge in alien land.
Infact Islamic regime's taxes gave rise to peasant uprisings against the regimes...which were quelled with force. Babek was one of the persian peasant turned rebel who lead rebel army of persian peasants against arab islamic regime. Even today, thousands of persians pay homage to him every year as a freedom fighter of the persian resistence movement by gathering at the fort where he led down his life fighting against foreign rulers.
You can watch the video of ceremony of persians paying homage to babek on you tube.
Btw, Hurmuzan was the former persian general who murdered Umar.
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^ it was only suspected , but hurmuzan's murder sparked outrage amongst a large number of pious (arab)muslims ....and uthman paid his blood money proving there was no hard evidence to implicate him,Plus you cannot deny that he was a advisor to Umar(ra)
now irani nationalists and ghulat "shias" can call abu lulu a hero but all evidence is that he acted alone
Babek was under the abbassids who adopted persian manners and customs to a large extent ,,,at any rate their administartion like the ummayyads before them ( with exception of Umar II r.a) was hardly islamic.
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I disagree, while the good and evil god concept came about in zoroastriansim later, It is in general much closer to abrahamic faiths than hinduism. its not polytheistic,..duo-theistic is more like it.
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I don't have too much time in hand to explain you all in detail...but quick overview of visible similarities of zoroastrianism with hinduism-
Both consider 5 elements of nature holy- fire, water, earth, wind, metal
Both worship and revere to cattle as divine animal.
Both consider cow's urine soul purifier
both practice caste system
both undergo thread ceremony as a ritualistic entry into the faith for hindu only brahmins undergo thread ceremony, while in zoroastrianism all have to undergo thread ceremony into whatz called nav-jot new light] ceremony]
Both have ritual fire which is fed with ritualistic elements like sp- oils, sandle wood dust etc for every religious ceremony
Both have similar festivals which are based on advent of seasons eg- navroz and holi
Both have similar names of gods and demi gods which are based on constellations...for ex- names of 26 nakshetras.
Though zoroastranism is basically based on tug of war between two equal powers- Ahura Mazda [God] and Ahriman [devil] it talks lenghty on smaller gods and goddesses who influence lives on earth...Very similar to hinduism where gods are in constant conflict with demons.. Even the stories sound similar...while vedic gods fought demons for eternal "amrit" from sea...ahura mazda fought ahriman in his bid to to control the eternal tree called Amreeth. Now we know where the story of eternal tree , adam and eve came from.
Anyways..there are more than just these... Sanskrit and Avesta are both proto indo european languages having most words overlapping.
But apart from these, if there is any doubt left search for -fire temple at baku...its an ancient zoroastian fire temple with sanscrit insciptions glorifying hindu gods.
Though judaism borrowed from zoroastrinism, there is no similarity with islam.
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I dont have time to go into either but you can ead accounts of the development of zoroastrianism, and how it has changed over the years, I agree the zoroastrianism of today is kinda sorts like some aspects of hinduism, however the zoroastrianism fiaht initially was pretty different.
I have good zoroastrian pals, one actually used to post at GS off and on, and this is based on much he had shared with me.
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No, it doesn't. The Sassanids escaped to perserve their empire; some perisans fled to India simply because of the upheavel. In fact, they ended up supporting the Sassanids, and is at least one of the reasons why some Arabs entered India in the first place.
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there are sites that discusses their plight under islamic rule.,But unfortunately im not allowed to post url here until i complete 25 posts here.
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...I'm familiar with them...and most are a crock, historically speaking.
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summarized the Zoroastrian's plight as "Forceful conversion to Islam, confiscation of their assets and inheritance, extortion of one fifth of the value of property or business for the Moslem clergy, **prohibition of construction of new buildings or repair of the old ones, **prohibition from putting on new dress or ride horse, forceful payment of extra tax (Jizya ), automatic exoneration of the murderers or culprits if they are Moslems and their victim is a Zoroastrian, or if they have attacked or burglarized the Zoroastrian houses or their shelters."
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Most in Persia remained non-Muslim well till the 10th century...forceful conversion....where? If Muslims accept Jizya, then no Muslm can violate the property of the non-Muslim party...that will forfit the Jizya. Can't take the rest seriously.
As for the Jizya...how much?
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Taxes under sassanians did not forced peasants to seek refuge in alien land.
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I don't see the link between the small number of refugees and the Jizya. How much is the question...
Note the amount varied greatly over time. I'm taking about under Umar (ra).
So the question remains, how mcuh? It's a simple question...and to be quite honest, I really don't know...and I don't need a history lesson on other matters to divert me from this simple question...
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Central asian aryans had a religion called mithraism. Which was a polythesis in nature...Two groups of clans emerged from it namely devas and ahuras...Both fought each other bitter before parting ways ...Ahuras invaded iran and devas invaded indianic plains...Both wrote verses showing each other evil...over the period of time, Ahuras came to be known as zoroastrians from their philosopher preacher- zoroaster. And devas merged with other settlers in india like dravids and adopted their beleifs with their mainstream beleifs which latter sumed up to be called Hinduism. In 8th century persia was invaded by muslims, where zoroastrians were forced to pay high poll tax to fund arab jihad army and large group of poor zoroastrian farmers with their families made their way to east...landing on shores of india, where they seeked refuge and freedom to follow their religion...That was granted with few give and takes. Ever since Parsis in india have shown likeness for hindus and their customs...to a point where they have adopted hindu festivals and holy days into their customs. Considering this, it would be so ironical if a zoroastrian woman marries a muslim. But leaving that aside mix marriages seldom succeed... esp in subcontinent and still worst with joint families...and esp between two ideologies with nothing much in common. My honest suggestion is, once infactuation is over, pratically this union is destined to doom ...better not go for it.
blah blah woft fart chomp you sure know what you're talking about I must say belch
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I have good zoroastrian pals, one actually used to post at GS off and on, and this is based on much he had shared with me.
Zoroastrianism isnt anything like modern day Hinduism. Zoroaster actually was brought up in Vedic society (i'm guessing Pakistan) and took his beliefs into what is now known as Iran. Zoroastrianism has quite a few characteristics of the Vedic religion.
A couple of Aryans also moved into India and created Gangetic Hinduism. It was a pretty symmetrical movement, but ironically Iran and India like to go on about how Aryan they are, when Pakistan is genetically (and historically) the more Aryan homeland of either. The proof is in haplogenes and Vedas.
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merci roadrunner, always helpful :)