Parents and Islam

My brother and I were having this conversation over the weekend..
was wondering if anyone on this forum could shed some light.

We have a neighboring family (people that I have written about previously inthe life forum, if anyone remembers), but the father of this family is outright abusive, his list of crimes includes:

Sexual abuse towards his daughter
sending the same daughter to jail accusing her of attempted murder on himself
several extra marital affairs
constant accusation upon the mother and children for having illicet sexual relations with numerous people to the point that he accused the mother of sleeping with the SIL to be (obviously the boy didnt marry his daughter after that).

but this guy, is a total disaster.. the mother is withering away. Dying bascially.
And the two daughters just counting days for this sentance to be over but not willing to leave thier mother at the hands of this demon.

The newest thing this character has come up with .. is Religion.
He’s is a mullah now. Im quite close to one of them and often offer a listening ear.
She hates her father’s new face and she had told him so. Now she feels that Allah is mad at her.

I dont think so.. I think she did what she did as a reaction and God loves us all.
So bhai and I were discussing what rights this man has on his family.
Like is she wrong for abusing him back verbally?

Please discuss first on an Islamic level and then on a personal.

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u cant abuse ur parents back verbally....
Quran prohibits children even to say UFF to their parents, verbal abuse is a big thing....
parents' behavior is their problem, the children still have to fulfill their rights....

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Are children allowed any rights at all?

From my understanding when the parents aren't being Islamic at all, children do not need to fulfill thier obligations towards their parents.

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nope!..just lie back and let him give it to her.
dont even say “UFFF!”
Allah will provide her with a freshie in jannat for sure so no worries.

personal level opinion- when he stops acting like a father, stop treating him like one too.
personal suggestions: burn him? push him over a cliff, hack off his head with an axe…

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^ do not obey them in matters that go against the teachings of Islam (i.e. if they stop u from prayer, u dont have to obey them in this) but they still deserve all the respect and care from u....

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And what about parents raping their kids? What are the rules for that, what right does the daughter have in this case? Again, what are the childrens rights , if any at all?

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rape and verbal abuse dont really mean the same thing....

the case here is that of any rape criminal and victim....

it wud be stupid even to think that the father is allowed such a thing....

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Yes, childern have right to disobey the parents only and only if they.....

29:8 We have enjoined on man kindness to parents; but if they strive to make you join with Me that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not. Unto Me is your return and I shall tell you what ye used to do.

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[right]ووصينا الانسان بوالديه حسنا وان[/right]
[right]جاهداك لتشرك بي ما ليس لك به علم فلا تطعهما الي مرجعكم فانبئكم بما كنتم تعملون [/right]

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Armughal: there was sexual abuse involved.. I dont know to what extent..

Personally: Iagree with the girls.. some limits are

just not to be crossed but if he did then why should she have to take his abuse?

Why should any of them have to take the abuse... this is a case where the mom should be divorced... Islam would permit that.

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Well coz of their stupid cultural bullshiit they wont’ get a divorce coz of “log kya kahen gaye? Rishta kahan say ayega?” Sometimes desis piss me off, esp desis pretending to be good Muslims. If the guy had repented, changed his behavior towards his family then became a mullah then its kewl, but if he’s still raping his own daughter :yukh: … well there’s a place in hell reserved for his kind.

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Run away from home, and seek refuge in Allah.

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Rapists do not deserve respect, the the Islamin punishment for this guy is

stoning to death

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Sister, since you are very close to your friend, and thus to the happenings in the family, which are horrendous, astaghfiruAllah rabbi min zalik, astaghfiruAllah!!! you could indeed help, Allah will bless you, if not directly then indirectly in many ways..

If the father has become a Mullah, or has accepted the path of the beautiful faith of Islam, does that mean he has asked forgiveness of all his past crimes, and has repented to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and asked forgiveness from his children and wife and begin to love them once more?

If that is the case, then the mother and the daughters have the option of forgiving him, and accepting what Allah gave them in the past as a test, which they must pass, and then moving on. Remember, this is a great test of sabar, and a mighty test of forgiveness. RasulAllah HabibAllah sallallaho 'alaihi wa aalihi wa salam was the most forgiving human being on earth. People stoned him, threw every kind of insult on him, abused him in every way they could, but he was forgiving, and forgave them because he knew they did not know what they were doing. But ophcourse, he did protect himself, and fought the wrong, but did not wish death to the enemy, but wished them to come to the right path. Islam is all about Jihad un Nafs, the Mighty Big Jihad.

RasulAllah salalaho 'alaihi wa aalihi wa salam says

there is a Hadith in tirmidhi that RasulAllah sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said that 'it is an enormous sin [kabayir] that a person curses or swears [yashtum] at his own parents.' his companions were surprised and said, 'ya RasulAllah, does anyone swear at his own parents?' he replied: 'a man swears at another's father and he swears back [at his own father]; a man swears at another's mother and he swears back [at his own mother]' [thus when you swear at another's parents and he swear back at yours, it is as if you swear at your own parents] [tirmidhi 1824]

So, no matter what your parents do, behave in the best way to them, upholding the truth and shunning all evil or revenge that might come out of you. Everything comes from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and He is the Most Merciful and Kind and Just.

The daughters, must protect their mother from all harm and must stop the father from every evil that he intends to do. It is essential to fight evil and the person doing it. Because Islam is not about keeping quiet and letting evil happen right before your eyes. Today is the 28th of RamaDan for me, and these last 10 nights of RamaDan are the most important to us in this blessed month. So a prayer of Istikhara to Allah and du'a to Allah in the nights and in your Tahajjuds is very essential, so that Allah guides you through the difficult happening in your life. This is what you should tell the blessed mother and daughter.

There are people who do not even have a father, at least this family still has a father, who if possible can be corrected. Otherwise, one answer, separation or police.

Thaqib

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A man who does these crimes, can't be called a man, just like a man who beats up his wife/daughter for no reason can't be called a man either.

What's to be done is different in each situation. But if he's touching his own daughter in that horrible way, she should leave that house. And I agree with the ones who say that that father (who has no right calling himself one after that horrendous act) should be punished. Period. this is zina too, and of the worst ones!

Seriously, I don't understand the people who are saying that that guy still deserves respect from his daughter after the way he's touched her! This isn't beating up, this is even worse. And if he's turned into a mullah, has he asked her for forgiveness for destroying her life? Is he sorry?

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If she killed him, i don tthink any court in the world would convict her (except maybe paki court for getting herself raped :rolleyes: )