Few days back i was talking to Irem & i thought she may open a thread about a similar topic but since she havent i thought i would ask diffrent opinions.
Its pretty obivious that “Pardah” has a diffrent meaning for diffrent ppl, its specially more influnced by a culture as well. Even the Islamic scholars have their diffrent opinions about how stricker it should be.
U will find ladies in kinda dress where u wont be able to see a lil glance of there bare skin even on the hands or feets. There r some who just properly cover their bodies but face, hands & feets r visible. Then there r some intresting ones i have seen, those r intrestingly Hijaban, u cant see a part of their hair but rest of the dress is either almost transparent or tight enough to show the each curve of ur body. For some even a short skirt is acceptable.
There is another important pardah, that concerns Men, some ppl refer it as “Ankhoon ka pardah” in local lingo, but i will avoid it in this discussion.
I m just intrested in personal opinions about “What Pardah is for u?”.
In Pakistan women in our village wear body length shawls, which cover them from head to toe, leaving just one eye to see the direction.
In England most women including my mum wear a normal long coat with a headscarf over usual clothes but younger girls seem to opt for them long gowns and face covers and there’s some who wear skirts/pants and scarf on the head but I don’t think its meant for religious or purdah reasons, a bit like I use to wear a kufi not for religious reasons just cuz it looked cool.
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*Originally posted by irem: *
another one...my fav...
Khuda k waastay parda na kaabay se utha zaalim kahin aisa na ho yaan bhee wohi kafir sanam nikle
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This is such a blespehmous line for the Kaba. Can't be my favorite for sure.
I mean only speak_ing on ‘Pardah ’… you can talk for days - Just I would like to… and my answer, by giving a small example. Suppose two ladies… two twin sisters were equally beautiful - if they are walking down the street, and if round the corner there is a hooligan, who is waiting for a catch… who is waiting to tease a girl. Both twin sisters are walking, both are equally beautiful - one is in the Hijab… Islamic Hijab - one is wearing a mini or a skirt. Which girl will that hooligan tease? … Which girl will he tease? But natural, the one in the short or the mini girl. If a girl is wearing a normal salwar kameez, with her head open… may be the salwar kameez tight, and the other girl is wearing a Islamic Hijab - Which girl will he tease? But natural, the girl who is not in Hijab. It is practical proof, that Hijab is been ordained in Islam… not to degrade the woman, but to protect her modesty.
jhappi ji :)
i think its used here symbolically not literally... :)
i dont think it intends any disrespect to Kaa'ba Shareef...naozobillah
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symbolically? I am really very slow in understanding poetry. I would appreciate if you can explain it in details as for me even symbolically these are some wrong words used.
I don’t need to justify myself, but as u seem to be a nice person I would like to say that I dint mean it in a sarcastic way.
It was a platonic statement signifying that a form of “pardha” exsists in the Pakistani society where girlz would rather choose to talk to a man on the telephone rather than face to face.**
(I take it that u and JB both live in Karachi)
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*Originally posted by Desi$oul: *
Suppose two ladies… two twin sisters were equally beautiful - if they are walking down the street, and if round the corner there is a hooligan, who is waiting for a catch… who is waiting to tease a girl. Both twin sisters are walking, both are equally beautiful - one is in the Hijab… Islamic Hijab - one is wearing a mini or a skirt. Which girl will that hooligan tease? … Which girl will he tease? But natural, the one in the short or the mini girl. If a girl is wearing a normal salwar kameez, with her head open… may be the salwar kameez tight, and the other girl is wearing a Islamic Hijab - Which girl will he tease? But natural, the girl who is not in Hijab. It is practical proof, that Hijab is been ordained in Islam… not to degrade the woman, but to protect her modesty.
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I think there is big misunderstanding of my sincere question. But no one is on fault given the fact that in everyday current lives, Tolerance is left only when it comes to Islam and Islamic personalities but as soon as we question the opponent and his or her views (despite being very sincere), tolerance and the teachings of tolerance do not remain valid.
Let me address things to clear your remarks.
1- No one can claim that he or she is an authority on Islam; nonetheless, any thing that gives wrong ideas about Islam can be questioned by any sincere muslim and there should not be feelings of hate among the debators.
2- Beating of an old trumpet of niyat does not give a license to even curse anyone and then claim that the intentions behind the cursing was very holy.
3- I asked an explanation for my own knowledge since it was you who mentioned the poetry to be symbolic, but apparently your rude denying to give a response simply tells me that you yourself did not get what that poetry meant; however, I hope it not be the case.
4- keep the chill pill to yourself. You need it more:) Read my question again and then your answer and if possible you can find the sincerity in both replies.
You don’t have to reply. I just felt to clear myself that I meant no hard-feelings when asked something. There is a saying of Imam Ghazali:rehm: “The reasons behind my source of knowledge is because I don’t feel shy to ask things that I don’t know regardless of whom I ask, be it older a person than me or younger.”
