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Can you name a few things that India is doing today that fits this theory? For instance, America is using Pakistan today to fight terrorists. This can be substantiated by the presence of American troops in Pakistan, financial aid and joint operations. Can you se anything similar with India and China?
American interest in India is based mainly on economics and a long term struggle against jihadi terrorism.
This is funny. History is based on facts. There are no two opinions about how Kargil or 1965 began. I can post a few dozen links from neutral experts pointing out who has the wargoing itch in South Asia.
India also calls for peace mister. But Pakistan's calling for peace doesn't erase a history of irrational military adventures. The facts, recent and otherwise, speak for themselves.
Sure. But India has a right to use diplomacy - it is not the same as interfering internally. Pakistan too protested wildly when India bought weapons recently.
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America see's China as a rival... India its see's as a partner. No arguement there? India has gained increasing support from America in all forms, including military. Take the deal you people had with the Israelis over the Falcon I believe, which needs American approval for transfer of technology.
Your assesment of the so called Jihadi scare as being the bridge between the two countries is equally devoid of logic. While its likely thats a part of it, its definently not THE reason. America doesnt concern itself to much with Indias plight with Jihadis, because India really HAS no problem with Jihadis. In fact your local Hindutva goons are a bigger problem then Jiahdis. America doesnt agree with Indias Kashmir complaints, and outside of labeling a few Jihadi groups as terrorsits, America does not toe Indias line on Kashmir. As far as Kashmir goes, America doesnt supply you arms to fight these jihadis in Kashmir, all it does is promote a tentative peace with Pakistan. The only reasonable advatage to having India as a partenr is becaus its a huge market, and growing world power which can be strategically important in view of China.
And I dont think you have a good understanding of history and human nature. If you did, you would know that history is always open to interpretation, and that cant be argued. Facts can be interpretted to suite the sensitivties of any culture. Pakistanis would say that we are justified in what we did because of Indias arrogance and complete and utter unwillingness to come to a comparmise.
If facts if all we used to determine historical accuracy were facts, then India would also be guilty of Anexing Hyderabad without any right. India also had not right to "liberate" Goa. But you as an Indian will give a million reasons for doing such things because you interpret your history differently. Try to argue against this please!
Indias peace minsiter is used to lull is into a false sense of hope. It seems to me that India believes in one things. Unilateral concessions, meaning we bend over backwards while you give us absolutely nothing under the guise of "peace." And this applies to Kashmir aswell, you would much rather see us all danceing fro joy at the thought that we can finally live in peace with you while you conveniently take Kashmir out of the process. I dont want some god damned peace minister, I want concrete steps. I want something that says we understand what your concerns and we intend to fullfill our side of the bargain. But all we get is this arrogant bravado.
And how has India ever wanted peace? Its screwed us over from the very day we were born. Our whole history is testement to this fact. Outside of Kargil, I dont see us an aggresor while I see INDIA as the biggest threat to our country. Your so called fact speak for nothing except what I said earlier, a interpretation of History that affirms Indias claim to victim status.
Pakistan didnt protest wildly... It wasnt splashed all over over news paper... There wasnt any "demands." And there were no threats that this so called peace process would be seriously affected. The fact that they threaten the Peace speaks volumes for what the Indians feel about the whole process. They are doing us a favor not themselves.
