Palestinians Formally Request U.N. Membership

Dunno what good will come out of this since the US will veto it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/world/palestinians-submit-statehood-bid-at-un.html

Palestinians Formally Request U.N. Membership
By NEIL MacFARQUHAR
Published: September 23, 2011

UNITED NATIONS — Resisting American pressure, President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority formally requested full United Nations membership on Friday as a path toward statehood, rejecting arguments by the United States and Israel that it was not a substitute for direct negotiations for peace in the Middle East.
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Mr. Abbas handed a letter requesting the membership to Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations Secretary General, before delivering his speech at the annual General Assembly. Mr. Ban was submitting the request to the Security Council.

Speaking to Palestinian Americans who came to his hotel Thursday night, Mr. Abbas said the United States had aggressively sought to deter him from the move but that he had insisted on proceeding.

“There are small countries in the world that have gained their freedom and independence but we still haven’t got ours,” Mr. Abbas told his guests. “So we are going to demand this right.”

The request for Palestinian statehood on land occupied by Israel has become the dominant issue at this year’s General Assembly, refocusing global attention on one of the world’s most intractable conflicts.

The Security Council will likely take up the issue in earnest next week, diplomats said, when the question becomes whether the United States and its allies can stall it. Washington is also working to prevent the Palestinians from gathering the nine votes needed for it to pass in the full council and thus avoid further wrecking the image of the United States in the Middle East by casting yet another veto against something Arabs want.

The final vote is not expected to take place for more than a month.

Among the 15 members, some are expected to stay solidly in the Palestinian camp including Russia, China, Lebanon, South Africa, India and Brazil. The United States is a solid vote against, and the five European members—Britain, France, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Portugal and Germany—are all question marks. The positions of Colombia, Nigeria and Gabon are also not entirely clear.

The African Union supports membership, but it is not entirely clear if Gabon and Nigeria will go along. President Goodluck Jonathan of Nigeria did not mention the issue in his speech to the General Assembly, unlike many leaders from the developing world who support Palestine, and the statement by President Ali Bongo Ondimba of Gabon, was somewhat enigmatic. He said he hoped to soon see a Palestinian state, but noted that both the Palestinians and the people of Israel are friends of Gabon.

In Europe, Germany tends to lean against, its relations with Israel always overshadowed by the legacy of World War II. France leans the other way, while Britain sits on the fence. Portugal and Bosnia have been close to the Palestinians and the Arab world in the past, but their support is not assured this time around.

In theory, United Nations procedures demand that the special 15-member committee — one from each state — that studies the membership issue report back in 35 days, but nothing is more flexible than a deadline at the United Nations. Security Council members can stall things for weeks and weeks by requesting more information or by saying they are waiting for instructions from their capitals.

Behind them, though, looms the policy enunciated by President Nicholas Sarkozy of France, who said that the Palestinians should get enhanced membership in the General Assembly, moving from an observer entity to a non-member observer state.

Alain Juppe, the French foreign minister, said it would wait to see what happens in the Security Council before moving forward. By tradition, the General Assembly does not take up an issue when the Security Council is studying it and vice versa, but it is not impossible.

The historic day of speeches engendered a sense that the issue of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict had come full circle. The Palestinians call their membership application a desperate attempt to preserve the two-state solution despite encroaching Israeli settlements, as well as an attempt to shake up the negotiations that they feel have achieved little after 20 years of American oversight.

The question is whether trying to bring the intractable problem back to its international roots will somehow provide the needed jolt to get negotiations moving again.

The general point of view of the Israeli government and its supporters is that the Palestinians and their Arab allies gave up the right to the United Nations resolutions detailing a two state solution by rejecting that original plan and waging war against Israel for six decades.

But after every war, the United Nations resolutions and indeed the peace treaties with other Arab states have all reaffirmed the resolutions that outline the two-state compromise, starting with General Assembly resolution 181 in 1947. In the annex of their membership application submitted to Mr. Ban today, the Palestinians listed every United Nations resolution that envisioned a two-state solution that has not been implemented, they said.

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Well, the veto IS the point...it puts to lie the American claim that they support PA statehood...the veto brings to fore qualifications on this support, which really does put American in a weak position throughout the world, especially given their bombastic rehtoric and support for the South Sudanese...

I think the move is calculated to break, or make difficult, the strong support America enjoys among some of the Arab elite. It may also serve to fire up Arab sentiment in the wake of the Arab spring, so any new leadership will be "reminded" of what their "natural" position on the matter ought to be (as opposed to the deposed leaders).

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Not Veto necessary without the 9 votes needed for passage.

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This possibly opens a pandora's box for US/UN/Isreal and allies. If they oppose it (which they're likely going to), then it further exposes UN for being a sham organization set up just to serve elitist goals. If they rally behind Palestine and support the bid for statehood, then it criminalizes Isreal for unlawfully occupying sovereign land, and Palestinians can take Isreali official to Hague as International Criminals...

Interesting times ahead....

The question that remains even post approval of statehood is, will UN have the strength and backing to enforce sovereign laws in favor of Palestine against Isreal? Or will we see another long series of delaying tactics, hushing up of facts, botched up counter-claims, etc...

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Also look out for Saudi reaction if a veto is posed by USA. If they stay true to their word as recently voiced, then KSA may seek another ally. Possibly China and distance itself from American influence.

Long shot, but very much a possibility when Turkey is the runner up as Strong Muslim state; whereas, it ought to be KSA for its geographic importance in the muslim world.

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hopefully something positive does come out of this session and other countries support the idea. Its been long overdue.

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true that... let see the fall out!!!

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US and Israel are claiming that statehood can only be achieved through direct negotiations.
They overlook how they accepted Kosovo's statehood in 2008.

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They will get the 9 votes from the other members easily.

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Also look out for Saudi reaction if a veto is posed by USA. If they stay true to their word as recently voiced, then KSA may seek another ally. Possibly China and distance itself from American influence.
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What possible reaction? The piece was by a former saudi prince turki who isn't part of the government anymore: it is like saying that pakistan's foreign policy is what hamid gul regurgitates just because he was head of ISI once.

Saudia Arabia is build by foreigners, and saudis aren't there yet to take over the country if they are sincerely trying if the west moves away from them. Now, people would say that america needs saudia more than ever because countries like egypt have fallen, but saudis still need america more than ever with the iranian threat and the "arab spring" that directly threatens the monarchy. Egyptian military is still american trained and influence. i.e. egypt is up for grabs while turkey, with all its shouting, still is a US pet as evidenced by putting US ABM shield targeting Iran on its territory. I wonder how this "event" has had no topics in world affairs board yet.

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Turki is the guy who was the Ambassador in the US for many years. Head of Saudi's intelligence apparatus and much much more.

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Good for them. Wish them all the best!

Israel doesn't seem to learn from its own history. Injustice doesn't last forever, and it almost certainly comes full circle.

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So? He is not the head of saudi intelligence now.

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United Nations (CNN) – The United Nations Security Council agreed Wednesday to send the Palestinian application for statehood to its admissions committee for review.
The first meeting of that committee, which includes all 15 members of the council, is set for Friday.
The debate, however, is expected to be largely symbolic in the face of a promised U.S. veto. But the permanent observer of the Palestinian Authority to the United Nations, Riyad Mansour, held out hope prior to this week that the application would be accepted.
“We hope that the Security Council will shoulder its responsibility and address this application with a positive attitude, especially since we have 139 countries that have recognized the state of Palestine so far, meaning more than two-thirds majority,” he said. “We are ready to govern ourselves.”
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas made the bid for the United Nations to recognize an independent state of Palestine on Friday, a move Israel says is premature without direct talks that address its longstanding security concerns.
Abbas drew applause when he raised the document at the podium during his speech at the 66th annual session of the General Assembly.
The time has come for a “Palestinian Spring” to join the Arab Spring in reshaping the Middle East, he said. “My people desire to exercise their right to enjoy a normal life like the rest of humanity.”
But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, later taking his turn to address the General Assembly, said Palestinians are looking for a “state without peace,” ignoring security concerns important to Israel.
He said Palestinians are armed not only with their “hopes and dreams,” a phrase Abbas had used in his speech, but with “10,000 missiles, and Grad rockets supplied by Iran, not to mention the river of lethal weapons flowing into Gaza.”
“Palestinians should first make peace with Israel and then get their state,” he said, adding that peace must arrive through a two-state solution that recognizes Israel as a Jewish state.
If that occurs, Israel “will be the first” to recognize Palestinian statehood, the prime minister said.
Abbas’ speech was closely watched across the Middle East. The hundreds who gathered in Ramallah greeted the news that he had formally filed the request with cheers, song and dance.
Demonstrations took place Friday in New York and in cities across the Middle East as demonstrators waved Palestinian flags and chanted slogans in shows of solidarity.
U.S. President Barack Obama has said he supports Palestinian statehood but reiterated a longstanding U.S. position that Israel must be part of the discussions.
While a U.S. veto would block the bid for full U.N. membership, the General Assembly could still vote to upgrade the status of Palestinians, who currently hold the status of non-voting observer “entity.”
The body could change that status to permanent observer “state,” identical to the Vatican’s standing at the United Nations.