Not really. Don't worry I know exactly where you come from, and I'm not fooled by any of your fake condemnations. Everything you say to even slightly criticise Zioinst crimes comes with conditions. Now tell us what gives Jewish settlers any right to illegally settle in occupied Palestinian lands, and carry out the acts of war they do?
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Malik since you "know exactly where you come from, and not fooled by any of your fake condemnations” Why continue on with the discussion? Judging as you have done (falsely I might add) and basically calling me a liar shows your character, falsely as well I hope.
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me."
Malik since you "know exactly where you come from, and not fooled by any of your fake condemnations” Why continue on with the discussion? Judging as you have done (falsely I might add) and basically calling me a liar shows your character, falsely as well I hope.
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Did I call you a liar? No. Did I say that you avoid condeming Zionist crimes or make excuses for them when you do? Yes. And you have just proven me correct, yet you say I judge you wrong? Thank you. :)
Did I call you a liar? No. Did I say that you avoid condeming Zionist crimes or make excuses for them when you do? Yes. And you have just proven me correct, yet you say I judge you wrong? Thank you. :)
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Malik look what you wrote a post above "...and not fooled by any of your fake condemnations”
You say your not fooled (I'm not trying to fool anyone!) by my "fake condemnations". Your saying my condemnations are fake thus calling me a liar since they are not "fake". You want me to condemn actions and when I do you say that they are false condemnations. what are you looking for??
yet you say I judge you wrong? Thank you.
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Perhaps there should be less judging of one another and more idea and thought exchange. Let's find faults with policies and practicies without trying to find them with each other.
Anyway, it is a two way street, Palestinian supporters also avoid condeming Palestinian crimes or make excuses for them.
You say your not fooled (I'm not trying to fool anyone!) by my "fake condemnations". Your saying my condemnations are fake thus calling me a liar since they are not "fake".
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Believe ME that is a view held by many regarding your posts in this forum. First to condemn Palestinian actions, and always last to slip in a slight condemntaion of a Zioinist act or two. Note this thread is about Israeli settlers ethnically cleansing Palestinian's, yet you tried in your reply to Nadia's to put the onus on the Palestinians - perfect proof of my contention of your conditional condemnation of wider Israeli acts.
Maybe you and Seminole, another resident Zionist cheerleader, can answer without any conditions or dodging what gives Jewish settlers any right to illegally settle in occupied Palestinian lands, and carry out the acts of war they do?
Believe ME that is a view held by many regarding your posts in this forum. First to condemn Palestinian actions, and always last to slip in a slight condemntaion of a Zioinist act or two. Note this thread is about Israeli settlers ethnically cleansing Palestinian's, yet you tried in your reply to Nadia's to put the onus on the Palestinians - perfect proof of my contention of your conditional condemnation of wider Israeli acts.
Maybe you and Seminole, another resident Zionist cheerleader, can answer without any conditions or dodging what gives Jewish settlers any right to illegally settle in occupied Palestinian lands, and carry out the acts of war they do?
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Malik73 you see all and know all and know where "I'm coming from". This being the case no matter what I say it will be written off as "pro-zionist" or simply labeled false by your greatness.
Malik73 you see all and know all and know where "I'm coming from". This being the case no matter what I say it will be written off as "pro-zionist" or simply labeled false by your greatness.
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Simple - prove me wrong.
**What gives Jewish settlers any right to illegally settle in occupied Palestinian lands, and carry out the acts of war they do? **
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You say "Palestinian lands"? What is that exactly, just for clarification?
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Ah what did I say? Everything you say to even slightly criticise Zioinst crimes comes with conditions :)
But just to humour you. International law states that Jewish settlements on occupied lands are illegal - is that not a fact? i.e lands these illegal Jewish settlers have seized in contravention of international law from Palestinians. So if you can try to answer the question, without any excuses (for Zionism) - What gives Jewish settlers any right to illegally settle in occupied Palestinian lands, and carry out the acts of war they do?
Malik it was a question for clarification nothing more.
I'll make it simple, I don't like the settlements and they should be removed as part as a peaceful solution. They should not be handed over to an organization that support groups who's aim is to destroy Israel. Israel has right to exist wouldn't you agree Malik?
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Malik it was a question for clarification nothing more.
I'll make it simple, I don't like the settlements and they should be removed as part as a peaceful solution.
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Should they not be removed, period? They are illegal instruments of war constructed after 1960's well before the Israeli-created Hamas came onto the scene, so that justifictaion for their continued existence is quite hollow. Did you even know that Israel started building the settlements way back then?
Now a second question. While the search for peace continues do you think that Jewish settlements should be allowed to increase in size? And if not, then please how have they been allowed to double in size after 1993, the year the Oslo Peace Process began? While ate the same time your government has given Israel around $35 billion dollars in economic and military aid?
Of course I support the right of Israel to exist, alongside a Palestine that is territorially and polictically equal and indepedent to it. But, ideally I would like to see all Palestinians and Israeli's living in one confederal and territorially united entitiy, along the lines of Switzerland cantonal system.
Malik, so you believe Israel should hand over land to a group that supports an organization that wants them Destroyed? Handing the lands over via a peaceful solution is to much to ask or to radical of an idea to support?
As far as the Hamas-Israel connection please show me a link that is somewhat credible, I know you are stringent on evidence so i'm sure it will no doubt prove that such a connection existed.
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Handing the lands over via a peaceful solution is to much t or to radical of an idea to support?
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Yes, it is pure Zionist dodging tactics, excuses and buying for time. You see in your commitment to the Zionist cause and defence of the existence of illegal settlements, you missed my previous question. They are illegal instruments of war **constructed after 1960's well before* the Israeli-created Hamas came onto the scene, so that justifictaion for their continued existence is quite hollow. Did you even know that Israel started building the settlements way back then?*
Now tell me do you know when Israel started building Israeli settlements, and were they for a peaceful purpose? Then once you answer that tell me when Hamas appeared on the scence - I think you will see a 20-year gap between the two. But it seems quite clear that you are willing to see Israeli settlements grow in size, while the search for peace to continues, and let Jewish settlers terrorize, murder and ethnically cleanse Palestinian natives.
As for the Israel-Hamas link you asked Fraudz to give a link, and mrpockets then posted a link in one of your threads. You did not reply, because obviously you did not want to face up to that fact as well?
The settlements are seen by many as defendable boarders against Israels violent neighbors. There have been many attempts to destroy the state all which have failed miserably, that said you don't give those who want you destroyed a chance to get closer to you or land as a reward to terrorism. You want Israeli to give up land with getting a commitment of peace by those they give it to why would that ever happen? Tell me Malik when did attacks on Israel ever not exist?
The settlements are seen by many as defendable boarders against Israels violent neighbors.
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Is that how you see them?
Very interesting that you concede that many Israeli's support support illegal Jewish settlements, which are an instrument of war and occupation. Settlements controlled by religious fanatics and thugs who ethnically cleanse, terrorise and murder the Palestinian people. That is what many Israel people tolerate and even support. Thank you for finally defending illegal Jewish settlements as defendable borders for Israel...
Malik you can put as many words in my mouth as you want, it doesn't change how I feel about the settlements. You want them gone now, no peaceful commitment necessary on the Pal. side. I want them gone when a peacefully commitment is given by the Pal. Side. The bombing in the mall today shows that no such commitment is there. Maybe land for peace won't ever be acceptable to the Pals. But I can promise you land for terror will never be acceptable by the Israeli side.
Malik you can put as many words in my mouth as you want, it doesn't change how I feel about the settlements.
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Yes, you admitted did you not that The settlements are seen by many as defendable borders against Israels violent neighbors. ?
So when Israeli's grab land by force, ethnically cleanse the native inhabitants, terrorise and murder others and then establish illegal settlements its called "defendable borders"? Its not called terrorism, nor does it receive condemnation, but rather excused on the basis that they are only "defending their borders. Thank you for finally showing your true convictions...exactly as I predicted some posts ago.
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I want them gone when a peacefully commitment is given by the Pal. Side. The bombing in the mall today shows that no such commitment is there. Maybe land for peace won't ever be acceptable to the Pals. But I can promise you land for terror will never be acceptable by the Israeli side.
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But, UTD, in your opinion - is the present Israeli policy working ? How many checkpoints, barriers and walls can they - pragmatically - put up? If Israel's policy was feasible, then why do we still have ongoing suicide attacks ? If checkpoints are the solution to 'Palestinian terror', then why is the Israeli death toll slowly rising ? Surely there is another solution that they have not tried as of yet?
Israel needs to stop settlements and Palestinians need to stop the policy of suicide bombing. Would everyone agree that is a first step in furthering the peace process?