PALESTINE: The wall is illegal!

**By Joyce Seamaan **

  • [Joyce Seamann is a member of the Sydney-based Sawiyan — Palestine Solidarity group] *

** Palestinians have hailed a decision handed down on July 9 by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) that declared the apartheid wall that Israel is constructing in the West Bank illegal. The decision came after five months of deliberations during which evidence from both sides was brought before the judges. **

Israel has refused to accept the non-binding ruling, insisting that the wall is necessary for its security. A senior aide to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon stated, “I believe that after all the rancour dies this resolution will find its place in the garbage can of history”.

The 650-kilometre wall cuts deep into the West Bank to encircle illegal Jewish-only settlements and much of the Wester Aquifer. The eight-metre-high fence, which is costing $2 million a kilometre, will include huge slabs of concrete, armed watchtowers lurking over Palestinian territory, razor wire, electric wire and cameras. It will make parts of Palestine reminiscent of an open-air concentration camp.

The wall’s construction is the first war crime in Israel’s nearly 60-year history of violence and oppression against the Palestinian people to be heard before the international court.

The Palestinian envoys to the UN are likely to ask the General Assembly as soon as possible to adopt a resolution reaffirming the court’s decision. They are also planning to take a proposal to the 15-member Security Council. Palestinian Authority advisor Nabil Abu Rdainah, told a July 10 press conference that the Palestinians would use the decision to push the UN Security Council and General Assembly to “isolate and punish” Israel.

The repercussions could be enormously damaging for Israel, possibly opening it up to international sanctions and boycotts against the rogue state, similar to action taken against apartheid South Africa after the ICJ made a ruling against that racist regime in 1971.

The United States will not support such moves. In a July 9 press conference, White House spokesperson Scott McClellan said it was “inappropriate” for the ICJ to issue the ruling, and said it would interfere with the peace process. Democrat presidential candidate John Kerry agreed, saying, “Israel’s fence is a legitimate response to terror that only exists in response to the wave of terror attacks against Israel … It is not a matter for the ICJ.”

However, it is Israel’s illegal and violent occupation conducted with tanks and Apache helicopters, its policy of home demolitions and extra-judicial killings, and its ritual and systematic humiliation of Palestinians that is interfering with the peace process.

The apartheid wall condenses all of the crimes of Israeli occupation into one project. Every basic human right sanctioned in international law is being violated by this single monstrosity.

The ICJ’s majority decision (the one dissenting judge was Thomas Buergenthal from the US) said that:

Israel’s construction of the wall in occupied Palestinian territory is contrary to international law;

Israel must instantly halt construction of the wall in all areas, dismantle parts already built and repeal any legislation promoting the wall;

Israel must make reparations for damages caused by the construction of the wall;

all states are under an obligation not to recognise the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction; and

the UN, and especially its General Assembly and the Security Council, should consider what further action is required to bring to an end the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and the associated regime.

Re: PALESTINE: The wall is illegal!

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Palestinians have hailed a decision ....**
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to ban the wall in Bharati Kashmir. PM Yes-Sir-Are-Fat is up in arms against Bharti decision for walling the Kashmiris.

NOT!

Only in dreams of Pakistan's religious fanatics!

Khuda Hafiz

Ahmed

the whole israeli state is illegal not just a wall or settlement the Israelis are bunch of illegal Squatters!

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Ahmed

the whole israeli state is illegal not just a wall or settlement the Israelis are bunch of illegal Squatters!
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According to who?

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According to who?
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According to the whole world. Did u not get the news?

acording to underthedome it is legal since it is mentioned in the HOLY Bible.

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According to the whole world. Did u not get the news?
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No, I was still under the assumption that Israel was a nation recognized by the United Nations as well as the vast majority of countries in the world today. Please post a link that verifies your ground breaking news.

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acording to underthedome it is legal since it is mentioned in the HOLY Bible.
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Praise Jesus.

Put it this way it was forced upon the middle east. The people had no choice. It was a decision by a colonial master like that of creating kuwait. How can that even be legal. Well the UN recognized tawian as China for 20 odd years. It does what the 5 powers say it should. Nothing more nothing less. That is why i am in favour of providing the GA with more powers like a legislature.

Israel has no right to exist. Jews of course have a right to live under Palestine.

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Ahmed

the whole israeli state is illegal not just a wall or settlement the Israelis are bunch of illegal Squatters!
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But the squatters have made a bloody illegal state having power over the whole of Palestine. A state which has consumed Palestine with the help of the west and made laws to restrict the palestinians in thier own land. This is the problem we face today the illegal zionest state which has suddenly appeared on the world map. How to tackle this problem is to help the Palestinians to freedom.

What is the authenticity of a Palestine nation? Any clue, historical, religious or ethnic?
Or it is a myth, talked thousand times to make it truth?

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But the squatters have made a bloody illegal state having power over the whole of Palestine. A state which has consumed Palestine with the help of the west and made laws to restrict the palestinians in thier own land. This is the problem we face today the illegal zionest state which has suddenly appeared on the world map. How to tackle this problem is to help the Palestinians to freedom.
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So how are you going to help the muslims of palestine not only the muslims actually including the xstians in palestine who also oppressed. You have an illegal state with Squatters called israel, to fight this state you need another state with same mechanism to destroy this illegal entity that is only way forget UN and OIC they just talking shops and used for benefit of Countries like Amerikkka and Britian.

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What is the authenticity of a Palestine nation? Any clue, historical, religious or ethnic?
Or it is a myth, talked thousand times to make it truth?
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Good question. Actually this was the subject of some very good debate and historical information in various threads opened in late 2001. (Don't know how to link to them. :( )

In one of those threads I posted the expressed views of various Arab officials, spokespersons, historians and writers given between 1920 and 1956 on the issue of the existence of "Palestine. "

Here's a sample:

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." — Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" — Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." — Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956

Because both Syria and Jordan made historical claims to the land, they and their Arab brethren rejected the very notion of there being something called Palestine. They viewed the notion of a Palestine as a zionist plot designed to take parts of Syria and TransJordan from them. They did not oppose the 1947 Partition because they viewed the creation of Israel as taking away parts of Palestine from the Palestinians.

The idea of a Palestinian nation is of recent vintage and but for Arab objection to the Partition which would have created it, one would exist today.

A bit off topic, but for those interested there is a “round table” group that addresses the issues that touch this conflict. It gives informed views from both sides of the fence.

http://www.bitterlemons.org/

Try it

Right myvoice. Back up your claims with proof. You got some dumbass arab leader with no name and Ahmed Shukairy who is? Certainly not a diplomat. I want to know his rank and position. That should shed some little on which point of view is posted.

Also go back to school. You will see that Palestine was a province under the ottoman empire. Just like Kuwait was a province of iraq under the ottoman empire. I guess the French and British colonalists just divided up Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Israel over a couple of drinks and didnt look at how the ottoman empire configured its rules.

Edit: http://turkeyinmaps.com/Sayfa3.html

That shows the area known as trans-jordanian as a seperate province within the ottoman empire. Within that huge provinces it was broken up into 3 sub-provinces. Palestine, Jordan and Greater Syria.

Edit 2: palestinefacts.org

Now that link shows maps from different American Universities that show the existance of Palestine dating to before World War 2 and heck dating before World War 1.

Edit 3: http://www.archiveeditions.co.uk/Leafcopy/175-3PalBnds.htm#Eastern

This makes reference to maps the British and French used to divide up the Ottoman Empire. Notice how they use the words Palestine and Jordan.

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....Notice how they use the words Palestine and Jordan.
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Look Dude! WWII decided how the maps would be drawn. People who were smart got a piece of the pie. The dumb ones as usual lost. Dumb became dumber when they refused to use political means and resorted to pure terrorism. The result is clear: Dumb, Dumb, Dumber, Dumbest-terrorist.

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......There is no such country as Palestine. .....
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Call it whatever you want, what would you do with people living in West Bank?

My hope is that a Jinnah will one day liberate Palestinians from despair, terrorism, and Namak-Haram MnMs.

On a second thought, Jinnah alone won't be able to do anything unless he is supported by a big landlords, and a professional army.

I guess for Palestinians it is a three strikes and out situation.

I would make the West Bank and Gaza part of an autonomous Palestinian country with Israel and Palestine drawn along borders closing approaching those that existed in 1967. But that’s just me.

:yawn: Go back and read the threads in late 2001 and early 2002 on this issue. All the links and proof are there. :sleep: