Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq Turn It Incendiary

An interesting perspective given by Fisk. One of the very few Goras with an indepth insight into the general Muslim perspective.
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Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq Turn It Incendiary

By ROBERT FISK

That fine French historian of the 1914-18 world conflict, Stéphane Audoin-Rouzeau, suggested not long ago that the West was the inheritor of a type of warfare of very great violence. “Then, after 1945,” he wrote, “… the West externalised it, in Korea, in Algeria, in Vietnam, in Iraq… we stopped thinking about the experience of war and we do not understand its return (to us) in different forms like that of terrorism… We do not want to admit that there is now occurring a different type of confrontation…”

He might have added that politicians - and here I’m referring to Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara - would deliberately refuse to acknowledge this. We are fighting evil. Nothing to do with the occupation of Palestinian land, the occupation of Afghanistan, the occupation of Iraq, the torture at Abu Ghraib and Bagram and Guantanamo. Oh no, indeed. “An evil ideology”, a nebulous, unspecified, dark force. That’s the problem.

There are two things wrong with this. The first is that once you start talking about “evil”, you are talking about religion. Good and evil, God and the Devil. The London suicide bombers were Muslims (or thought they were) so the entire Muslim community in Britain must stand to attention and - as Muslims - condemn them. We “Christians” were not required to do that because we are not Muslims - nor were we required as “Christians” to condemn the Christian Serb slaughter of 8,000 Muslims at Srebrenica just over 10 years ago. All we had to do was say sorry for doing nothing at the time. But Muslims, because they are Muslims, must ritually condemn something they had nothing to do with.

But that, I suspect, is the point. Deep down, I wonder if we do not think that their religion does have something to do with all this, that Islam is a backward religion, un-renaissanced, potentially violent. It’s not true, but our heritage of orientalism suggests otherwise.

It’s weird the way we both despise and envy the “other”. Many of those early orientalists showed both disgust and fascination with the East. They loathed the punishments and the pashas, but they rather liked the women; they were obsessed with harems. Westerners found the idea of having more than one wife quite appealing. Similarly, I rather think there are aspects of our Western “decadence” which are of interest to Muslims, even if they ritually condemn them

Palestine or Afghanistan or Iraq turn it incendiary. They want both to break out of this world and to express their moral fury and political impotence as they do so. They want, I think, to destroy themselves for their own feelings of guilt and others for the crime of “corrupting” them. Even if that means murdering a few co-religionists and dozens of other innocents. So on go the backpacks - whoever supplied them is a different matter - and off go the bombs. Something happens, something that takes only a second, between saying “I love you” and then hanging up the phone.

read on at:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article300918.ece


Re: Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq Turn It Incendiary

Why are Islam and gora mutually exclusive? Why is it goras can’t seem to embrace or understand Islam? Is there something in their nature, culture or upbringing? Is Islam too advanced or perfect for the gora? Or is Islam unable to satisfy the gora spiritually or intellectually? This is a serious question since “Muslim” and “gora” have been mentioned here many times as separate entities.

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Tsk tsk you should remember your own words Sem. Didn't you just say something about Islam a few weeks ago? Want me to link it?

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is gora like goyim?

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Gora means white. It is usually used as an insult on GS.

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but I think pakistani like gora colour? anyway what is goyim then is that a nice term?

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Fisk is such a complete pandering wussy. Can we please find some refugees to beat him again?

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Seminole, there are millions of white Muslims across the world, in case you did not know. If you want examples, please do ask and I will give you some. So I don’t think Ma Mooli meant anything racial by that comment, so no need to get so sensitive hah?

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good article

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Jeez. Dont get hung up on one word kids. If it makes it any easier for you, i was referring to non-muslim goras as muslim goreh are a minority. It wasnae an insult else i wouldn't have used it for fisk. Now kindly stop diverting and lets get back on to track.

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very democratic and tolerant of you OG. Cant stomach what he says, get people to attack him. :halo:

Re: Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq Turn It Incendiary

Correction! A leftie Gora Fisk has only one insight and that happens to be pandering to commie leftie Egyptians a la Gamal Nasir and their newfound MAToos friends. You can find the same lefti goras all over West especially in Washington post, NY times, and LA times.

Who gives a hoot to leftie Gaurdian but a few bearded moolies from Karachi Mad-russahs.

p.s. Thank goodness the MAToos are being hunted down all over the world now.

Re: Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq Turn It Incendiary

The white people you wish to be like because they now kill innocent men and women. Antiobl remember your skin is still brown. You could be next to be shot.

Re: Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq Turn It Incendiary

Fyi, Robert Fisk also wrote regularly for the Times of London, which is hardly a leftie paper. At least get your facts right for a start.

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Until 1988? His lefti idiot-ology now comes to MAToos thanks to leftie Bhonpoos like Guardian and Independent.

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He has written for non-leftie papers even after that date, but I don’t suppose you would know that, as you are still living in the Cold War era.

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