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Like someone aptly said
We do not need all these institutions, Musharraf Saahib is enough for the country.
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this is ridiclous.i guess its politically incovenient for president Musharraf to do the same against the governor of sindh man accused of many crimes ,sheikh rasheed who has a history of corruption and countless others who are part of his government right now.
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its funny seeing sooo many comments here for and against CJ but the fact of the matter is ..
1- we live in a country where there is NO RULE..the only rule is rule of the army..
its very much like the simple joke about boss i.e
when u r an employee there are two rules to follow
1- boss is always rite.
2- if u think boss is not rite go to rule number 1.
and that sums up all for us being pakistani's
COAS is rite.. and if u think he is not rite.. go to jail..get hosue arrested..or watever.
and rightly said on GEO . the other day.. amin faheem said that bhai there is only law of jungle here and it clearly states that there can b only one Lion in a jungle others have to go ..
cheers
long live the army ..long live generals..
Re: Pakistan’s top judge is suspended
Motion filed in senate against sacking of Iftikhar](Geo News: Latest News Breaking, Live Videos, World, Entertainment, Royal)
Senator Kamran Murtaza advocate submitted the motion in the senate. In the motion the sacking of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry is termed as unconstitutional
It is the matter of grave concern so this should be debated in the senate Senator Kamran Murtaza advocate said in the motion.
For those who still think he is “suspended” and not victim of personal ego, here is another piece of news which shows how shallow our rulers are:
Name of Iftikhar removed SC’s website](Geo News: Latest News Breaking, Live Videos, World, Entertainment, Royal)
ISLAMABAD: The name of non-functional Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry has been removed from the website of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry is no longer as the Chief Justice of Pakistan on the website. His name is also removed from the list of the judges of the Supreme Court
Justice Javed Iqbal has been shown on the website as the acting Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
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Lawyers call nationwide strike on March 12
ISLAMABAD (March 11 2007): Bar Associations of lower and superior courts nationwide have reacted strongly over the filing of reference against Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry alleging misconduct and misuse of authority etc and described it as an assault on the independence of judiciary.
The Executive Committees of Pakistan Bar Council and Supreme Court Bar Associations met separately in their offices in the Supreme Court building here on Saturday and passed a number of resolutions.
The Committees called upon all the Bar Councils and the Bar Associations to observe nation-wide strike on Monday March 12 and a black day on March 13 the day Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry has been invited to appear before the Supreme Judicial Council to respond to charges levelled against him.
A joint delegation of Pakistan Bar Council and the Supreme Court Bar Association, comprising Qazi Mohammad Anwar, Hamid Khan, Muneer A. Malik and Ali Ahmad Kurd went to the suspended Chief Justice Iftikhar. They expressed solidarity with him but the security staff at the gate did not allow them to meet him.
Earlier in the day President SCBA Muneer A. Malik, VPs Sahibzada Anwar Hameed, and Imran Malik, talked to Justice Iftikhar on his mobile telephone and assured him of the SCBA’s full support and offered to defend him SJC.
Later talking to newsmen they said that the suspended Chief Justice vowed that despite pressures, he would not resign as he had done now wrong and would defend himself in the SJC.
Chairman of Executive Committee of the Pakistan Bar Council Qazi Mohammad Anwar presided over a meeting of the committee which was attended by Hamid Khan, Rashid Rizvi, Syed Qalb-e-Hasan, Mohammad Kazim Khan, Imdad Ali Aiwan, Sardar Latif Khosa and PBC Vice Chairman Ali Ahmad Kurd. The committee adopted the following resolution that said.
"The Committee strongly condemns the military action taken by General Pervez Musharraf against Chief Justice of Pakistan, Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry on 9th March 2007 and in this behalf it is stated with deep concern;
(a) By summoning the Chief Justice to the Army House and confining him there for more than six hours, the entire judicial institution has been insulted, demeaned and debased by General Pervez Musharraf while himself sitting in army uniform.
(b) By putting the Chief Justice under house arrest, the prestige of the country as democratic and independent state has been undermined amongst the comity of nations of the world.
The Committee called upon Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry to take firm stand and face the allegations boldly and with courage and vindicate himself honourably. The Committee demanded that the proceedings before SJC should be in open Court with full access particularly to all Lawyers and Journalists.
The Committee offered legal assistance to Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and expressed willingness to defend him before SJC. The committee also the appointment of Justice Javed Iqbal as Acting Chief Justice under Article 180 of the constitution in place of the senior most Judge Justice Rana Bhaghwan Das who is not in Pakistan.
Re: Pakistan's top judge is suspended
Like someone aptly said We do not need all these institutions, Musharraf Saahib is enough for the country.
yes...thats the real problem of a dictorship...me right ..everyone else wrong.....a single man ......all decsions ...all thinkings...external and inernal......just me.....NA and senate are rubber-stamps...the PM is a show-piece whose only job is to meet with foriegn industrial delegations and telling them Pakistan is a "paradise" for investment...see a paradise for suicide-bombing......the poorest democracy thinks about matters with consensus and advice so all potentials multiply...but this man says no...what i am saying or thinking..only that is right.....rest all are mad and foolish !!!!!
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this is ridiclous.i guess its politically incovenient for president Musharraf to do the same against the governor of sindh man accused of many crimes ,sheikh rasheed who has a history of corruption and countless others who are part of his government right now.
Are people generally just stupid on here? The governor of Sindh is a man elected by the people of Karachi (however poor their decision was to elect him). Musharraf has no consitutuional power to remove a democratically elected governor. He does have the power through the Constitution to remove the Chief Justice though..which he hasnt yet done..only suspended him.
This post will not register in the heads of 99% of the people on here, but to the 1% who it does, I'm sure you can see the difference between the two cases. Crystal and clear.
Re: Pakistan's top judge is suspended
Are people generally just stupid on here? The governor of Sindh is a man elected by the people of Karachi (however poor their decision was to elect him). Musharraf has no consitutuional power to remove a democratically elected governor. He does have the power through the Constitution to remove the Chief Justice though..which he hasnt yet done..only suspended him.
This post will not register in the heads of 99% of the people on here, but to the 1% who it does, I'm sure you can see the difference between the two cases. Crystal and clear.
Can you explain to one of the 99% like me that if he has no constitutional power to remove a governor how did he have the consitutional power to remove an elected government?
Re: Pakistan's top judge is suspended
its funny seeing sooo many comments here for and against CJ but the fact of the matter is .. 1- we live in a country where there is NO RULE..the only rule is rule of the army.. its very much like the simple joke about boss i.e when u r an employee there are two rules to follow 1- boss is always rite. 2- if u think boss is not rite go to rule number 1. and that sums up all for us being pakistani's COAS is rite.. and if u think he is not rite.. go to jail..get hosue arrested..or watever. and rightly said on GEO . the other day.. amin faheem said that bhai there is only law of jungle here and it clearly states that there can b only one Lion in a jungle others have to go .. cheers long live the army ..long live generals..
But this is not happening. Look, you dont see how the obvious contradiction in your statements. Pakistan media is free. How do I know it is free and not under the influence of the Army? Because whole newspapers in Pakistan are dedicated to Army bashing, and Musharraf bashing. The mainstream newspapers also do it. This is the sign of a free media. This is not dictatorship in the sense you're talking about it. This is real freedom that Pakistan never had until Army rule. Even now greater freedom is being achieved in other ways .
No personal attacks.
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Can you explain to one of the 99% like me that if he has no constitutional power to remove a governor how did he have the consitutional power to remove an elected government?
Why would anyone in the world want to keep a prime minister that pays $10 tax returns..The Army (not Mush) may or may not have been constitutionally right to remove him, but to me it doesnt matter, anyone as corrupt as the civilian rulers needed to be removed from power for the good of Pakistan. Look at it like this. You have a criminal fraudster head of your bank. He's been democratically elected by the bank employers. You then catch him at his fraud, What do you do? Let him carry on looting your bank? Syphoning off YOUR money? Wrecking YOUR business? No, you fire him, contitutionally or not, you fire him, and you find someone to replace him whilst you sort out the mess. If that person is you (because there's noone else trustworthy), then you do it yourself.
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^ Look at the cronies around him and in his cabinet, you will find much worse, Ch Shujaat being the worst case example. Why isn't he taking action against them?
I am no supporter of Nawaz and supported Musharraf when the coup took place but he is not above the law and shouldn't be. His day will come, just like Zia's did and maybe this incident will prove to be his ojhri camp.
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this general said that "am i a peon that Nawaz Sharif dismissed me like that !!!!" ....and the same man now dismissing CJ ...the third most powerful man according to Blue Book of Pakistan after president(legal) and PM and the most respected as being the Chief Judge(Qazi-ul-qaza) and he is bound to sit for 5 hours with General in uniform and General is insisting him to resign from this prestigious post ...!!!!! Yaar hud ho gai baighairti ki !!!!!
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^ Look at the cronies around him and in his cabinet, you will find much worse, Ch Shujaat being the worst case example. Why isn't he taking action against them?
I am no supporter of Nawaz and supported Musharraf when the coup took place but he is not above the law and shouldn't be. His day will come, just like Zia's did and maybe this incident will prove to be his ojhri camp.
Oh yes, of course..You'll find multiple murderers in his cabinet. Noone can compare even closely to the governor of Sindh. Everyone knows this except you it seems. And the reason is because he was democratically elected by the people of Karachi to be their governot. If it was a cabinet minster given a ministerial post by Mush, then he could be removed by Mush. But not in this case.
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^ I am talking about his cabinet, why are you avoiding the issue?
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Mr.Roadrunner is totally wrong...no one can remove CJ !!!! he cannot even remove the junior most judge of SC or even chairman of Public Service Commission...these posts are so high and sensitive that all free powers are allowed for them to exercise freely...first of all ..this General is an illegitimate president...even the elected pesident cannot remove any judge....if such law is there then poor judges always have to look to Presendial House before ruling...so that a sword always keep on hanging on them......no one can remove SC any judge except SJC .....
and secondly...our main topic is "misconduct" ...if this is criteria..whole world knows Governor Sindh is involved in many murders cases...looting..robbery..burning ..gilao ghairao .Major Kaleem torture case and i think more tan 36 cases he involved......Babur Ghauri ..federal minister for Shipping is also involved in such terrorist activities in more than 9 cases...Kunwar Khalid and all other "hard-core " of MQM ...these are facts ...the whole world knows...but all thier cases and files are pinned up because they are hand to hand with General !!!!! so no body cares.....but CJ does not look upon the General and make free and fair decisions...the General shows his personal grudge to this brave man ......shame on this cheap mentality of Musharraf !!!!!
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^ I am talking about his cabinet, why are you avoiding the issue?
What issue an I avoiding? Look, the cabinet is a non representative body, elected by Musharraf. The governor of Sindh is not, he is elected by the people. The president does not have consitutional power to remove a democratically elected governor. he does have the power to remove his own cabinet, to fire them etc, he does have the power to remove or suspend his Chief Justice.
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now General has shown what a small man he is ...the man with "m" small not capital !!!!!!
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Are people generally just stupid on here? The governor of Sindh is a man elected by the people of Karachi (however poor their decision was to elect him). Musharraf has no consitutuional power to remove a democratically elected governor. He does have the power through the Constitution to remove the Chief Justice though..which he hasnt yet done..only suspended him.
This post will not register in the heads of 99% of the people on here, but to the 1% who it does, I'm sure you can see the difference between the two cases. Crystal and clear.
^no but a few of them have a loud mouth .i am glad he acted against the thugs you support like bugtis and marris..screw your bla thugs,most of them are 10 feet under thanks to musharraf.
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Look, I’m not reading that drivel. The first line is wrong enough. Try reading your Consitution.
The Judicature
(5) If, on information **[231A]](http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part7.ch4.notes.html#231A)* [from any source, the Council or] the President is of the opinion that a Judge of the Supreme Court or of a High Court, *
(a) may be incapable of properly performing the duties of his office by reason of physical or mental incapacity; or (b) may have been guilty of misconduct, the President shall direct the Council to **[231B]](http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part7.ch4.notes.html#231B)* , or the Council may, on its own motion,] inquire into the matter. *
Do you know what the above means? Is it an understanding problem, that you can’t follow your Consitution from 1973 that clearly states the president can remove the Chief Justice and direct a Council to inquire into the matter?
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^ The issue is of misconduct and why isn't he removing the corrupt people within his cabinet when he was so quick to remove the CJ for misconduct. The bottom line he should act in an impartial manner against everyone and not just one person and that is my complaint against him. I am not defending the CJ, I am questioning Musharrafs conduct of this affair which is wrong. If he was to apply the same criteria to the cronies around him there will be no one left in his cabinet.