If the existing isolation was not enough, Pakistan is aligning itself with a tiny group of countries who have failed to condemn Bashar Al Assad for atrocities in Syria and has been taking a neutral position.
Is it due to chinese pressure?
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doesn't really effect pakistan. so they chose to stay out of it. with khaali khooli statements of condemnation.
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Condemnation does not affect Bashar but it does affect Pakistan position which is being taken as favouring countries that are supporting Bashar, like Russia, China and Iran.
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Pakistan doesnt have any clout on the international stage, therefore doesnt matter if they condemn or condone the Syrian regime.
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but it does affect Pakistan bcoz she is being taken as favouring countries that are supporting Bashar, like Russia, China and Iran
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reading in PA rangoli said the ppp is full of shiites, so possibly that might be a big contributing factor
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Reading about the beliefs of alawites, I dont think they are shias even, they have good relations with Iran though.
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I don't think PPP can think beyond corruption. It must be chinese pressure.
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Reading about the beliefs of alawites, I dont think they are even shias even, they have good relations with Iran though.
thats not strictly true, even if you look among pakistani mallang/akbari shia the beliefs are conjoined. eg youtube 'shia kafir 98'. shiaism is a dynamic religion which can lie and change beliefs and hide beliefs. so one ayatullat may give a negative impression but another will affirm in their brotherly status. eg the shia would say 'ali is so good some say he is god'. a main aim of the religion(usuli) is to appear, by deception, close to mainstream for the singular purpose of taqaiyah until a day when they can stand. that day the muslims will be sorry
the matter is complicated enough to bamboozle moderates
also if you look on here (WA) at the brotherly shia sentiments towards syria, they not much different to bahrain. its full fledged support backed by a silent getout clause
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Alawis dont really have any particular beleifs. I have known syrians who tell me that those who become close to them are told that religion itslef has little value and the prophets were just intelligent people who came up with beleif systems to help shape behavior of people orpersonal power.
Under Assad regime, alawis moved closer to sunnis and prayed & did Hajj liek sunnis to gain political support.
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Their beliefs, although they themselves call them shias:
Alawi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Many of the tenets of the faith are secret and known only to a select few Alawi.[SUP][23]](Alawi - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][52]](Alawi - Wikipedia)[/SUP] According to some sources, Alawis have integrated doctrines from other religions (syncretism), in particular from Ismaili Islam and Christianity.[SUP][9]](Alawi - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][23]](Alawi - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][43]](Alawi - Wikipedia)[/SUP] Alawites are reported to celebrate certain Christian festivals, “in their own way”,[SUP][43]](Alawi - Wikipedia)[/SUP] including Christmas, Easter, and Palm Sunday, which make use of bread and wine.[SUP][33]](Alawi - Wikipedia)
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According to author Theo Padnos, who lived in Syria from 2007 to 2010, the Alawi religion evolved during the years under Hafez Al Assad’s rule, so that Alawites became not Shia, but effectively Sunni. Public manifestation or “even mentioning of any Alawite religious activities” was banned, as was any Alawite religious organizations or “any formation of a unified religious council” or a higher Alawite religious authority. “Sunni-style” mosques were built in every Alawite village, and Alawi were encouraged to perform Hajj.[SUP][53]](Alawi - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
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^assad tried to make his position stronger by trying to make sunnis feel as if it was their country
I don't think PPP can think beyond corruption. It must be chinese pressure.
if any sort of representation exists, and the representation has been described as 'over represented' in the ppp government, i do believe the policies will reflect that. shiaism and loyalty to it is the very core of shia philosophy, unlike the tawheed, worship, hallal and haram of muslims, people who even appear motivated by greed will infact be carrying a reliigious duty eg stealing from pakistan (majority muslim)
for example the shia who is pushing athiest ideas but is still shia of ali is a momin, thats how its certainly viewed, the technical terms may be a bit different
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No its not. An athiest is an athiest whereas all shias must believe in a God... Otherwise they are not shias. You can stop peddling those lies now thank you.
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^shiaism and loyalty to it is the very core of shia philosophy, unlike the tawheed, worship, hallal and haram of muslims, people who even appear motivated by greed will infact be carrying a** reliigious duty eg stealing from pakistan **(majority muslim)
I don't agree with that.
I had many shia friends in my neighbourhood and work and i have found them to be loyal and patriotic Pakistanis. Haven't felt any doubt in their love to country at any time.
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i know all this. these beliefs are not exactly that of the 12er shia but they are very close. for example these are equivalents of nawruz, fire walking, self harm (from zoastarianism/christianity), belief in divine figures, borrowed alot of beliefs from other religions. if you had a central point of reference to shiaism then you could see more clearly but there is none. ive seen what the marjai have to work with
for example:
from kho-many ayats
ayatullah khomeini - leader of the on-going shia revolution(bad news for peace):
this is not far from alawi position, and this is coming from an usuli whos purpose it is to appear close to islam
Question 325: There is a sect called (Ali Al-Laheet) that say Ali is not Allah but say he is not less then Allah, so what is the rule regarding them?
Answer :If they don’t say in association with Allah the one, the Benefactor, the Most Exalted, then the rule is that they are not mushriks.
shiaism cannot be even be imagined easily
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No its not. An athiest is an athiest whereas all shias must believe in a God... Otherwise they are not shias. You can stop peddling those lies now thank you.
im doing it for you specifically
I don't agree with that.
I had many shia friends in my neighbourhood and work and i have found them to be loyal and patriotic Pakistanis. Haven't felt any doubt in their love to country at any time.
over representation in government is never going to be a good thing, is what my main point is
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^ I think we should live them to answer for themselves, we should worry more about ourselves. We cannot decide about the status of others, Allah will decide...
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yes but we find ourselves not condemning assad the mass murderer (of muslims)
its an extreme situation
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Pakistan never makes any public stance that counters that of China. For all that Pakistani conspiracy theorists like to propagate about Pakistan's leadership being American puppets, the fact is that we are a client satellite state of China and take instructions on foreign policy from Beijing.
As long as China supports Assad, you will not hear a peep out of Islamabad suggesting that Assad is bad or that the rebels are good.
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Pakistan is not in a position to condemn Syria atleast not right now because as a State Pakistan has failed to protect its minorities from atrocities.