More often than not, I have noticed that Indian Team has been declared ‘Heros at Home, Zeros Abroad’ or Doesn’t have any fast bowler and that is the main reason they get beaten outside India.
Pakistan has all of it, They never lacked quality fast bowlers, from Fazal Mehmood to Shoaib Akhtar there is a long list, Same with the Batsmen from Nazar Mohammad to Yousuf Youhana and have always had Quality spinners from Intikhab Alam to latest sensation Danish Kaneria.
I would like to know - What is Pakistan’s record away from home in test matches.(I am not intrested in their Home wins reason being the real test of a Player is in difficult conditions).
so gather all your data from your sources and join the discussion.
all i know is that our record at home is not that good as i can remember that we lost home test series to srilanka england...n now against newzealand we r in good shape ...hope someone got the official records...
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Thanks, for your input, but We are not comparing Pakistan with India, There are so many other threads open where you can post your data about it.
What I am intrested in is - Pakistan's away wins in a Test Series. How much success Pakistan has had against other Cricket nations when playing in their territory. Also Please provide the Link, instead of posting the whole information in the thread.
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
**Analyze it,
What I am intrested in is - Pakistan's away wins in a Test Series. How much success Pakistan has had against other Cricket nations when playing in their territory. Also Please provide the Link, instead of posting the whole information in the thread.
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Asif, the second thread shows Pakistan's win ratio away against all teams and it is pretty impressive. I don't have facts to hand and someone can confirm this, I think Pakistan has won series against all test playing nations away except for West Indies and Australia.
Pakistan was unlucky for not having won the 1987/88 away series against West Indies.
Looking from the info given, Pakistan looks preety good both home and away but we must remember this is the all time perofrmance, if we take a look at the peroformance for the past 5 years than its not that preety, away is little better.
I think the reason why Pak seems to do well in away is because their pace attack, unlike home on slow pitches, fasr bowlers don't usually win matches, (please avoid the Newzeland tour because I was really surprised the way pitch was prepared.)
And that is the complete opposite of what India has, they seem to do well because they have a strong batting lineup (they used to) and a weak bowling lineup, in case of fast bowlers, their batsman are consistent both away and home but its the spin factor which gets them win most of the matches at home.
If you didn't get my post enough, here is the short summary.
Pak win at away = Better fast bowlers, inconsistent batting.
Pak loose at home = Inconsistent batsman, no use of fast bowlers.
India win home= strong batting, good spinners on slow pitch.
India loose away = lack of fast bowlers, good batting.
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I think Pakistan has won series against all test playing nations away except for West Indies and Australia.Pakistan was unlucky for not having won the 1987/88 away series against West Indies.**
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I am surprised. Pakistan has not won a single series against Australia and West Indies ?? How About South Africa and England ? Ehsan - How Pakistan was unlucy not to win the series against WI in 1987-88.
Umair, Please..Let's not bring India into the discussion here, there are nemerous threads open, you can compare India- Pakistan on those threads. I can discuss that with you there.
Pakistan has won two series against India in India (including the ATC, both by a margin of 1-0)and have an even record with Sri Lanka ( I think, I am not sure) haven't won against Australia & WI. Then how come the Away record is so good ?
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** I am surprised. Pakistan has not won a single series against Australia and West Indies ?? How About South Africa and England ? Ehsan - How Pakistan was unlucy not to win the series against WI in 1987-88.
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Against Engalnd Pakistan beat them in England in 1987, 1992 and 1996, three consecutive series and drew the 2001 series. Haven't lost to Engalnd in England since 1982. Against South Africa some one can confirm but I think we won one series there. If having not won against Australia and West Indies constitute a bad away record and Paksitan is fourth in the table then it does not say much about the other teams.
About the 1987/88 series against West Indies being unlucky was because the series was poised and the last match was very close and went Windies way.
Here is a break-up of pakistan's away performance against each test playing nation for someone who maight be interested.
Asif , your query for reference almost reminds of discussants in religious section asking for references to Hadith and religious books, LOL.
ehsan, I appreciate your taking time to fix the layout of numbers in columns properly.
P W L D
IN South Africa 4 1 2 1
IN India 27 4 5 18
IN Australia 26 4 15 7
IN Bangladesh 2 2 0 0
IN England 39 8 14 17
IN Sri Lanka 11 6 2 4
IN West Indies 21 5 9 7
IN Zimbabwe 5 3 1 1
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[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited May 06, 2002).]
Why don’t u do the work and let us know, after all u r the one who’s interested. And it will be interesting to see what kinda criticism you come up with
Did You really think that I dont know the Answer ? I know more about cricket or any other sport then you will ever know in your life.
To burst the bubble, let me say here despite all the claims that Pakistan has the best fast bowlers and best batsmen and so no - Pakistan has not won a series in West Indies ,Australia and South Africa so far. Your first win in England came in 1987 and after that you won Two more series in England and then drew the last series 1-1.
You most away Series wins have come against New Zealand and Sri Lanka.
So you are not really Heros at Abroad. I would say that’s a mediocre performance.
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Asif , your query for reference almost reminds of discussants in religious section asking for references to Hadith and religious books, LOL.**
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Analyze It, I asked you to copy the link just because it makes the thread more readable and those who are intrested can always access the link.
I know you the answer and I never claimed I know more about cricket then you do. So think b4 you speek.
I never said PAK won home or away infect I never even mention anything about that so don’t burst be calm and as I said think b4 u speak.
You could have simply come up with PAK statistics instead of writing all that. I only asked you to find out yourself if you already knew what was the point asking? Again think b4 u speak
No need to be so defensive. If you had read the first line of the post you would have understood the point. So often fellow readers point out that India are ‘HEROS HOME, ZEROS ABROAD’. While doing that they forget that it’s true with most of the teams and very true with Pakistan also that is despite the claims (and I agree with their claim) that It had the best talent and performers in its TEAM. So Why have you not won a single test series abroad against Quality Teams ?
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** While doing that they forget that it's true with most of the teams and very true with Pakistan also that is despite the claims (and I agree with their claim) that It had the best talent and performers in its TEAM. So Why have you not won a single test series abroad against Quality Teams ?
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Hmmmmmm!!! so according to your logic Pakistan is a mediocre team because it has not beaten Windies, Australia and South Africa abroad and these are quality teams. In other words Pakistan has only beaten mediocre or sub standard teams like NZ, Zimbabwe, England, India, Sri Lanka etc.
Asif, I think the stats speak for themselves. There are only ten test playing nations and of the nine against which Pakistan has played it has beaten six of them abroad, now that is a pretty good record dont you think?
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Hmmmmmm!!! so according to your logic Pakistan is a mediocre team because it has not beaten Windies, Australia and South Africa abroad and these are quality teams. In other words Pakistan has only beaten mediocre or sub standard teams like NZ, Zimbabwe, England, India, Sri Lanka etc.
Asif, I think the stats speak for themselves. There are only ten test playing nations and of the nine against which Pakistan has played it has beaten six of them abroad, now that is a pretty good record dont you think?**
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Ehsan, first of all My thanks to you for making my post more readable on the other thread.
Coming back to the topic, I dont think Pakistan is a Mediocre Team, but it certainly has not done justice to the exceptional talent it has. But still not good enough to beat the best teams in their arena. Why ?? Isn't Pakistan also a 'HEROS HOME OKAY ABROAD' TEAM ? Yes, Its good record that they have beaten 6 countries away, but that doesn't make their away performance great. Even Zimbabwe,Newzeland and India have done that and that doesn't make them a good team away from home.