Pakistan's military minds its own business

Came across this article, thought of sharing it with “patriotic Pakistanis” :slight_smile:

Pakistan’s military, long notorious for its stranglehold over politics, has as pervasive a presence in the country’s business and commercial enterprises. While the military’s political and administrative influence is well known, public knowledge of its vast corporate interests is still limited, especially outside the country.

The military is the single largest player in the Pakistani economy today, active in a wide variety of commercial enterprises engaged in production of items ranging from breakfast cereal, sugar and cakes to cement, pharmaceuticals and fertilizers. The military’s commercial empire, worth billions of dollars, includes a number of transport, construction, real estate, insurance and communication enterprises, steel and power plants, banks, an airline, an FM radio station, a pay-TV channel and hundreds of educational institutions.

The core of the military’s business empire is a group of four foundations - the Fauji Foundation, Army Welfare Trust, the Shaheen Foundation and the Bahria Foundation. Dr Ayesha Siddiqa-Agha, a Pakistani defense analyst, points out that though the four foundations were set up ostensibly for the welfare of retired military personnel, this “role has since long taken a back seat. The growth and mode of operations of these foundations now indicate an urge at empire building and providing perks and privileges for senior officers.”

While the Fauji Foundation comes directly under the Ministry of Defense, the Army Welfare Trust is under the General Headquarters, the Shaheen Foundation under the Air Force Headquarters and the Bahria Foundation under Naval Headquarters. The activities of the foundations are designated as “corporate ventures”. They control some of the largest listed companies on the Karachi Stock Exchange. Companies run by the foundations enjoy special privileges, like access to prime real estate, easy bank credit, tax breaks and subsidized electricity. Not surprisingly, they routinely beat civilian companies in contract bids.

Of the four, the Fauji Foundation is the oldest and the country’s largest business conglomerate. Indian defense analyst Rahul Bedi describes it as the “jewel” in the Pakistani military’s crown. Headed by a three-star general, it provides “womb to tomb” benefits for nearly 9 million retired military personnel and their dependants. These benefits include preferential hiring of ex-servicemen for jobs at the Fauji Foundation’s wholly owned companies and subsidiaries.

The Pakistani military operates both in the public and private sectors. In the public sector, it has the National Logistic Cell (NLC), the country’s largest trucking and transportation service, and the Frontier Works Organization (FWO), a construction giant. The NLC is believed to be the army’s most profitable operation. Like the FWO, it is fully controlled by the Army General Headquarters. Established by former dictator General Zia-ul Haq in 1978, the NLC’s fleet of trucks played a vital role in transporting the Central Intelligence Agency’s weapons into Afghanistan in the 1980s and later in supplying the Taliban with food, fuel and weapons.

Prime real estate is made available to defense housing authorities at throwaway prices. How these prime properties fall into the hands of the military is worth recounting in some detail, if only to illustrate how the military occupies civilian property and grows rich at the cost of the people. In an opinion piece in the English-language daily Dawn, Farhatullah Babar outlines how the military took control of a private housing society, the Lahore Cantonment Cooperative Housing Society. Babar points out that “when the society began flourishing, army authorities took forcible possession of it. On a complaint, the registrar of Cooperative Societies ordered that elections be held but the occupiers of the society did not allow elections for 10 years. In 1999, the military authorities ‘persuaded’ the provincial government to issue an ordinance, the Defense Housing Authority Lahore Ordinance 1999, to formalize the takeover. The ordinance was promptly challenged in the Lahore High Court on the ground that the provincial legislature cannot legislate on matters relating to defense.”

While the matter was still pending in courts, the provincial government introduced the ordinance in the form of a bill. It was pending in the assembly when the military took over in a coup in October 1999 and the assemblies were dissolved. Under Article 117(2) of the constitution, a bill pending in a provincial assembly lapses on the dissolution of the assembly. Thus the bill lapsed and the Lahore Cantonment Housing Society was revived. But the army authorities did not allow the society’s members to perform their statutory functions and kept allotting plots to military officers. Barely three weeks before the general elections of 2002, a presidential order was issued on September 19, 2002, under which the Defense Housing Authority, Lahore, was set up. This order was subsequently indemnified through the 17th amendment in the constitution, thus giving a pseudo-legal basis to the military’s takeover of the society.

Such pieces of prime real estate are then distributed among military personnel at throwaway prices. It is among the many perks and privileges of being a part of the Pakistani military. The Army Welfare Trust, which is spearheading the attempt to appropriate and occupy A-grade agricultural land being tilled by around a million peasants in Okara, is facing fierce resistance. But the military is using severe repression and intimidation to quell the protest.

The military justifies its vast business empire as a contribution toward national development. Facts indicate otherwise - public funds are being channeled into the generals’ bank accounts. Siddiqa-Agha argues that most of these business ventures are actually running at a loss, with the generals siphoning off funds from the country’s annual defense budget to make up the difference.

Losses are said to be higher in ventures that are fully managed by retired and serving military personnel. Far from contributing to the country’s socio-economic development, the military’s commercial enterprises are a heavy drain on public funds.

Some of these military-run enterprises have won praise from international banks and organizations for their efforts to eliminate corruption. However, as Tariq Ali points out in the New Left Review, “Many of these enterprises have been engaged in corruption, although scandals usually erupt only when civilian businessmen get too greedy in exploiting the opportunities they offer, or when the fall of a government exposes their shady deals. [Former prime minister] Benazir Bhutto’s spouse Asif Zardari was implicated in shortchanging the air force’s Shaheen Foundation in a dubious media venture. In another case, it emerged that a private businessman had bribed senior naval personnel in defrauding the Bahria Foundation over a land development deal.”

But recently, President General Pervez Musharraf came out in fierce defense of his military’s vast business empire. He dismissed critics of the military’s role in business as “pseudo-intellectuals”. Like everything else the military does, its business dealings are evidently above public scrutiny and reproof, and enjoy immunity from public accountability.

Source

Re: Pakistan's military minds its own business

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by camouflage: *
Came across this article, thought of sharing it with "patriotic Pakistanis"

[/QUOTE]

Commie leftie cabal will never forgive the moment when Pak-Army kicked their A$$ from Afghanistan. Baha-Rat-i nationalists were hell bent on destroying the region by actively supporting Soviet Union.

Now that the Commies are defeated, Baha-Rat-is should at least thank Pak army for liberating them from the commie shackles. Off course it is too much to ask from this Bun-i-Ya nation.

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by camouflage: *
Pakistan's military, long notorious for its stranglehold over politics,

[/QUOTE]

Stranglehold, my foot!. Pakistan faced life and death situation from day 1, thanks to Soviet commies, and their Baha-Rat-i chamchas. This was too much of a challenge for Pak politicians to handle. Instead of defending the country against commies, these poly-ticks themselves became commies. You probably never heard of the term "Islamic Socialism" (I call it Show-Shaw-lism for MAToos). You probably are not familiar with "Civilian Martial-law administrator". Guess what? The two ideas belong to democratically elected Bhatto-MATto. The other poly-tick was Mujib who was even bigger Sho-Shaw-list.

Bhatto-MATto utterly destroyed the vibrant industrial complex in Pakistan. Thanks to Bhatto, by 1977 everything from banks, schools, to factories were gone. Driven to the ground by PPP P-ing in the roots of every major institution. Opponents were killed on the roads, torture chambers, Bhatto-MATto personal security called FSF were the names of the ugly Bhatto-MATto game.

If it was not for army, these Show-Shaw-list MAToos would have sold the country for scraps. You probably are not even aware of Swiss court and its upcoming cases against one and only Hijabi Jalaybi daughter of Bhatto. Yes the BB bit bit and her Mr. 10% husband were all involved in theft of the country.

Middle class Pakistanis are sick of these blood sucking poly-ticks. Raiwind estate forced ordinary public to cry for help and asked Military to step in. Go read newspaper from left and right all begging military to fix the situation. BB bit bit thought she can simply take a limo to PM house. Forget it BB! Your game is over, the only place you ought to take limo is to Swiss courts.

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by camouflage: *
The military is the single largest player in the Pakistani economy today
........
, active in a wide variety of commercial enterprises engaged in production of items ranging from breakfast cereal, sugar and cakes to cement, pharmaceuticals and fertilizers. .......
.....it has the National Logistic Cell (NLC), the country's largest trucking and transportation service,
and the Frontier Works Organization (FWO), a construction giant.
..... the NLC's fleet of trucks played a vital role in transporting the CIA weapons into Afghanistan .....
......military occupies civilian property and grows rich at the cost of the people. ......
......
[/QUOTE]

This Sudha Ramachandran can write all she wants while sitting in Bangalore. The result will not be more than a stinky tabloid column worth 50 cents. She needs to get off her butt and visit some of the flashy new suburbs of any major city like Islamabad, Lahore, or Karachi. Then compare Defense Housing societies with Doctor's society, Engineer's society, Scientists society, Teacher's society, overseas Pakistanis society, WAPDA towns and you name it.

Every society gives lower price lots to its members. No conspiracy here. Just simple Maths that shows that you buy land 20 miles out of city. It got to be cheaper than well developed neighborhoods close to the city center. You develop the land and it gains value. In real estate terms it is called appreciation. Off course commie lefties won't know. They simply follow good ole Joe Stalin and get a party run apartment in Moscow.

Ms. Rama will also realize that defense societies are some of the best managed housing societies. Members pay their dues, green areas are managed well, roads are always better than their surrounding areas, and the public pays 10 times the price of a typical lot outside the defense housing societies. So the public is willingly pay these army officers for some of the best lots in town. Nobody is going around putting a gun to the head and asking to buy a lot in the Defense.

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by camouflage: *
.....Losses are said to be higher in ventures that are fully managed by retired and serving military personnel. Far from contributing to the country's socio-economic development, the military's commercial enterprises are a heavy drain on public funds.
......Some of these military-run enterprises have won praise from international banks and organizations for their efforts to eliminate corruption. However, as Tariq Ali points out in the New Left Review, "Many of these enterprises have been engaged in corruption, ........
......
[/QUOTE]

Ms. Rama is now losing it. On one hand she says they are incurring losses. Then she says international banks are happy with military run companies. Just make up your mind lady! Off course you can't! Your commie leftie Hindi Bindi hatred will not allow your brain to function properly. Logic will be too much to ask.

P.S. You Mr. Camo, do some research before putting this Hindi Bindi garbage on the forum. Don't be a Bonpoo for commie leftie Ms. Rama-Shama

Re: Re: Pakistan's military minds its own business

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *

Commie leftie cabal will never forgive the moment when Pak-Army kicked their A$$ from Afghanistan. Baha-Rat-i nationalists were hell bent on destroying the region by actively supporting Soviet Union.
[/QUOTE]

Pakistan Army alone should get the credit for this?

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Now that the Commies are defeated, Baha-Rat-is should at least thank Pak army for liberating them from the commie shackles. Off course it is too much to ask from this Bun-i-Ya nation.

[/QUOTE]

and this?

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Stranglehold, my foot!. Pakistan faced life and death situation from day 1, thanks to Soviet commies, and their Baha-Rat-i chamchas. This was too much of a challenge for Pak politicians to handle. Instead of defending the country against commies, these poly-ticks themselves became commies. You probably never heard of the term "Islamic Socialism" (I call it Show-Shaw-lism for MAToos). You probably are not familiar with "Civilian Martial-law administrator". Guess what? The two ideas belong to democratically elected Bhatto-MATto. The other poly-tick was Mujib who was even bigger Sho-Shaw-list.

[/QUOTE]

Democratically elected Bhutto, hmmm and who supported Mr. Bhutto before he was democratically elected by the way? Shouldn't it be the Pak Army that needs to accept that it was its bad judgement, like it always is through out history, to support Bhutto also?

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Bhatto-MATto utterly destroyed the vibrant industrial complex in Pakistan. Thanks to Bhatto, by 1977 everything from banks, schools, to factories were gone. Driven to the ground by PPP P-ing in the roots of every major institution. Opponents were killed on the roads, torture chambers, Bhatto-MATto personal security called FSF were the names of the ugly Bhatto-MATto game.
[/QUOTE]

Again, how can one ignore the role played by the Pak Army to make Bhutto popular in the first place?

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
If it was not for army, these Show-Shaw-list MAToos would have sold the country for scraps. You probably are not even aware of Swiss court and its upcoming cases against one and only Hijabi Jalaybi daughter of Bhatto. Yes the BB bit bit and her Mr. 10% husband were all involved in theft of the country.
[/QUOTE]

Ofcourse I am aware, but then again if I want to find the root cause of all this that you are refering to, all facts lead towards one culprit "the Pak Army".

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Middle class Pakistanis are sick of these blood sucking poly-ticks. Raiwind estate forced ordinary public to cry for help and asked Military to step in. Go read newspaper from left and right all begging military to fix the situation. BB bit bit thought she can simply take a limo to PM house. Forget it BB! Your game is over, the only place you ought to take limo is to Swiss courts.
[/QUOTE]

And Nawaz Sharif, wasn't he an Army favorite too?

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
This Sudha Ramachandran can write all she wants while sitting in Bangalore. The result will not be more than a stinky tabloid column worth 50 cents. She needs to get off her butt and visit some of the flashy new suburbs of any major city like Islamabad, Lahore, or Karachi. Then compare Defense Housing societies with Doctor's society, Engineer's society, Scientists society, Teacher's society, overseas Pakistanis society, WAPDA towns and you name it.

Every society gives lower price lots to its members. No conspiracy here. Just simple Maths that shows that you buy land 20 miles out of city. It got to be cheaper than well developed neighborhoods close to the city center. You develop the land and it gains value. In real estate terms it is called appreciation. Off course commie lefties won't know. They simply follow good ole Joe Stalin and get a party run apartment in Moscow.

Ms. Rama will also realize that defense societies are some of the best managed housing societies. Members pay their dues, green areas are managed well, roads are always better than their surrounding areas, and the public pays 10 times the price of a typical lot outside the defense housing societies. So the public is willingly pay these army officers for some of the best lots in town. Nobody is going around putting a gun to the head and asking to buy a lot in the Defense.
[/QUOTE]

You missed the point here, why is it that the Army gets to choose the best land and others don't?

I guess you missed this "Prime real estate is made available to defense housing authorities at throwaway prices. How these prime properties fall into the hands of the military is worth recounting in some detail, if only to illustrate how the military occupies civilian property and grows rich at the cost of the people."

The Pak Army surely would put a gun to the head of the person who lays claim on a good piece of land before they do.

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Ms. Rama is now losing it. On one hand she says they are incurring losses. Then she says international banks are happy with military run companies. Just make up your mind lady! Off course you can't! Your commie leftie Hindi Bindi hatred will not allow your brain to function properly. Logic will be too much to ask.
[/QUOTE]

I guess you just skimmed thtough the article, you missed this too "most of these business ventures are actually running at a loss, with the generals siphoning off funds from the country's annual defense budget to make up the difference."

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
P.S. You Mr. Camo, do some research before putting this Hindi Bindi garbage on the forum. Don't be a Bonpoo for commie leftie Ms. Rama-Shama
[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your advice though, appreciate it.

Re: Re: Re: Pakistan's military minds its own business

I'll cover Bhatto-MATtoo and Sharifs in a separate thread. Let's concentrate on your allegations, innuendos, and far-fetched fantasies first.

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by camouflage: *

  1. Why is it that the Army gets to choose the best land and others don't?
  2. How these prime properties fall into the hands of the military
  3. How the military occupies civilian property and grows rich at the cost of the people."

[/QUOTE]

Bud! I hear ya! It indeed is difficult to analyze real estate market in Pakistan, especially for someone sitting in Bihar the La Loo land. So who is your CM these days, someone called Rubber-E?

I'd highly recommend a trip to Pakistan. I know you can travel in 10 hours from Bihar to Pakistan on Bharati Motorway (oops Lullo-way). Once you reach on this side of the border, drop by a "property dealer" and inquire about the process of buying a lot in the Defense. He will give you a low-down of the prices and ease of buying a house anywhere in Pakistan in the new and upcoming housing developments. Make sure you pick up some proverbs from Amritsar. Your Bihari-Hindi will give away the secret that you don't have a takka to buy property in Pakistan.

I wonder these La Loo land people don't have any idea of land development, and still insist on appearing to be experts on housing societies.

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by camouflage: *
The Pak Army surely would put a gun to the head of the person
[/QUOTE]

Err! Pak Army puts gun to the heads of Arrrab MAToo terrorists. You must be thinking about Runbir Sena from Biharland. We don't have that on this side of the border (may be in few areas in the South!).

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pakistan's military minds its own business

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by antiobl: *
I'll cover Bhatto-MATtoo and Sharifs in a separate thread. Let's concentrate on your allegations, innuendos, and far-fetched fantasies first.

Bud! I hear ya! It indeed is difficult to analyze real estate market in Pakistan, especially for someone sitting in Bihar the La Loo land. So who is your CM these days, someone called Rubber-E?

I'd highly recommend a trip to Pakistan. I know you can travel in 10 hours from Bihar to Pakistan on Bharati Motorway (oops Lullo-way). Once you reach on this side of the border, drop by a "property dealer" and inquire about the process of buying a lot in the Defense. He will give you a low-down of the prices and ease of buying a house anywhere in Pakistan in the new and upcoming housing developments. Make sure you pick up some proverbs from Amritsar. Your Bihari-Hindi will give away the secret that you don't have a takka to buy property in Pakistan.

I wonder these La Loo land people don't have any idea of land development, and still insist on appearing to be experts on housing societies.

Err! Pak Army puts gun to the heads of Arrrab MAToo terrorists. You must be thinking about Runbir Sena from Biharland. We don't have that on this side of the border (may be in few areas in the South!).
[/QUOTE]

When was the last time you checked the exchange rate of the Taka vs Pk Rs?

FYI its
1.00 PKR Pakistan Rupees =1.00766 BDT Bangladesh Taka

1 PKR = 1.00766 BDT or 1 BDT = 0.992399 PKR

I would appreciate it much if you could limit your response to mere answers to questions asked, also FYI I am a Pakistani myself, just because I don't worship Pak Army, doesnt imply that I am not a Pakistani.

Talk about far-fetched fantasies and allegations.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pakistan's military minds its own business

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by camouflage: *
...When was the last time you checked the exchange rate of the Taka vs Pk Rs?
[/QUOTE]

I don't need to. How about you? Planning a move to Bangladesh? I am sure you can get high paying job there.

BTW conversion rate means nothing. Bdesh has roughly the same population but half of the yearly budget of Pak.

P.S. I wish all the prosperity to Dhakka.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pakistan's military minds its own business

Camo your questions like the following, clearly show that you haven’t been to Pakistan lately. Go over there, spend some Takkas, do land development and then point fingers at others.

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by camouflage: *
1. Why is it that the Army gets to choose the best land and others don't?
2. How these prime properties fall into the hands of the military
3. How the military occupies civilian property and grows rich at the cost of the people."

[/QUOTE]

As I said earlier, I'd highly recommend a trip to Pakistan. Buy some land and start a development project like “Camoflop HoUsiNg Society or (CHUNS)”. Be a good salesman, and sell the lots to buyers. I know with your business skills, CHUNS will be more successful than any other society in Karachi. With all that money in your pocket, you will be less resentful.

all of these allegations can't be wrong there must be some truth to it

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by creek: *
.... there must be some truth to it
[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the club of frivolous law-suites a la American style.

Ever heard of information warfare against Pakistan and Pak-Army?

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by creek: *
all of these allegations can't be wrong
[/QUOTE]

Remember the Arabic proverb about these Bharati liers.

Lie once and if I believe you you're a liar, lie twice and if I believe you I'm stupid