Pakistan's Inzamam waiting for Ashes to gauge England

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KARACHI (AFP) - Pakistan cricket captain Inzamam-ul-Haq said he would keep a close eye on the upcoming Ashes series to gauge England’s form ahead of their cricket tour here.

England’s five-Test Ashes series with Australia begins on July 21 and England will travel to Pakistan for three Tests and five one-day games from October to December.

“I am anxiously waiting for the Ashes to begin. England playing Australia will give us a chance to gauge England’s weak and strong points before we play them in three months’ time,” Inzamam told AFP on Sunday.
The Pakistan captain said England were the most improved side of the past 12 months and would give world number one Australia a tough battle in the showpiece series.

“They (England) have improved a lot and would give Australia a tough fight in the Ashes and we have to keep a close look on them if we want to achieve better results against them,” he said.

“I believe that my young team can improve if we play with tough teams like England. We lost badly to Australia earlier this year but we fared better against India and the West Indies later.”

Pakistan have drawn 1-1 in both the West Indies and arch-rival India after being whitewashed 3-0 Australia early in the year.

Inzamam said Pakistan’s strength lay in its speed bowling and that he would not pack the team with spinners, which was blamed for Pakistan’s first home defeat to England in 39 years in 2000.

“I don’t believe in packing the team with spinners. Fast bowlers have been our strength and if they are fully fit I will go with the fast bowlers,” he said.

“Currently fitness of fast bowlers is our main worry but I hope they all get fit in three months to give us the best arsenal against England.”

Fast bowlers Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami both missed the Caribbean tour through injury while Shabbir Ahmed is waiting for the International Cricket Council to clear his suspect action.

England’s tour programme is likely to be finalised later this week following a visit by England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) officials to Pakistan after expert security checks last week.

The ECB had expressed reservations about playing a Test in Karachi, which has been plagued by terrorist attacks and ethnic violence.

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inzi bhai if we have two fast bowlers then they have three very good one namely harmison, jones and flintoff plus hoggard if we back our paceman wats the guarantee that our batsman specially the top order wud be able to handle the england pace attack

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Harmison is an over rated fast bowler.
Simon Jones is quick but nothing else.
Flintoff is a good batting allrounder.
Hoggard's medium pace and him relying on seam in the subcontinent won't get him far. I don't see our batsmen struggling against the fast bowlers in those conditions. Our batsmen mainly perform bad due to their own flaws.
For me Pakistan's trump cards are Shoaib Akhtar and Danish Kaneria. It will be a high scoring series.

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But I would want England to humiliate Australia and then we will work out how Pakistan is going to win from England…simple…voila… :k:

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I thought in your case it was hit hard, hit hard and than hit hard and beofre i forget, hit hard. :slight_smile:

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I think you are being unfair to Harsmion. He performed against every test playing nations but SA and now we will see against Aus.

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harmison is over rated !! snap out of it darling he is good very good
simon jones is good wid reverse swing and fast as well something
flintoff has a very good record against pakistan he always performs well against us when the novices from windies can make our batsmen struggle these idiots will fry our batsmen and have us for dinner

so u dont see our batsmen strugling against these bowlers on sub continent which would mean that the pitches wud not be condusive to fast bowling. This my friend is a contradiction of wat inzi he wants the pitches to help the fast bowlers. we can very easily dig our own grave this way.

shoaib needs to be match fit and be willing to bend his back. as we all know he has nothing other then speed which goes in his favour. same goes for sami only speed and nothing else. gul and shabbir can swing it a bit but shabbir doesnt have the control. and as good as danish is he cant win us all the three games on his own.

we really are in a dilemma here and need to figure out wat to do as we wud be playing england in 7 tests over the next 12 months

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what’s with guys in this forum calling other guys “darling.” :rolleyes:

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awww some one feeling a bit left out hehehehehe

nahee yaar just a bit of sarcasim nothing else

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So far Harmison has performed well against West Indies and New Zealand, hardly world class.
England hasn't produced a good fast bowler since Darren Gough, and since Harmison has shown good signs, their media has hyped up his bowling. I don't see a bowler like Harmison troubling decent batsman on slow tracks.

First of all you need to be quick through the air in subcontinent conditions, almost all England bowlers get their wickets from the movement off the seam. Hoggard is the only good component of swing but his pace is hardly troubling.

If you remember back when India toured Pakistan in 2004, it was Pathan and Balaji's ability to swing the ball both ways which troubled many Pakistani bats.

The only way Pakistani batting will be troubled against England if they don't play upto their potential.

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Harmison is not over rated at all. He is a good bowler as he always get Ponting's and Hayden's. No one can be as over rates as present Paki attack especially the one that we are tired of talking about in this forum. Harmison will be a player to watch when England comes to play in our backyard.

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Harmison is an over rated fast bowler.
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That’s what I thought of him at first but watching him in the Natwest series I think he is much improved bowler and he will give hard time to Pakistan when touring later on. Unless he fails due to the conditions in Pakistan which are totally different as compared to in England.

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It is not going to be easy for England pace attack to prosper in a batting and flat track like Pakistan. It is going to be a whole different story....

Batting will get the job done and if one looks at England they have one good batting line up with players who can play fast and sensible cricket.

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Hmmm lets read what mcgrath has to say about harmison

‘Harmison’s a class bowler’: McGrath
Stephen Harmison, England’s outstanding bowler of the season so far, got a rare compliment from his opposite number, Australia’s Glenn McGrath, after the NatWest Series final at Lord’s on Saturday. Both bowlers took three wickets in the tied match, and McGrath was later full of praise for Harmison.
“I think Harmy is a class bowler,” McGrath told reporters. “There’s no doubt about that and I think he’s one of the main reasons England have improved over the last 18 months and one of the reasons why they’ve been so successful. To have a bowler bowling at that pace with that lift and bounce, it’s got to give the rest of the team confidence.”

Harmison and Andrew Flintoff choked the Australians after they had got off to an impressive start in the final, reaching 50 in less than seven overs. Harmison, brought on only as a second-change bowler, nailed Ricky Ponting and Damien Martyn, and later added Brad Hogg to his tally, making him the highest wicket-taker of the tournament with 15.

There had been fears about Harmison losing his way in international cricket after his lackluster performances in South Africa in 2004-05, but Michael Vaughan, England’s captain, was quick to defend his ace bowler. “Just because you have a couple of bad games in the winter doesn’t make you a bad bowler. I thought Harmy today was, as he has been throughout the whole series, outstanding.”

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So captain wonderful will be taking a keen interest in the Ashes series. Well - the question is is he just going to be watching it or will he be analysing his future opponents? I think he will just be watching it and I don't think he is a good analyser or a good tactian to monitor opponents weaknesses. Only great captains like Imran, Steve Waugh etc had the 'brains' to do this.

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Over-rated or not Harmison is a decent bowler but you cant call him very good. Simon Jones still has to prove his worth on a regular basis and though flintoff has performed well agaisnt us he is quickly becoming more of a batting all rounder recently. Razzaq did well with the bat too, but that was ages ago. Now he is more of a lower order batsman and a run container.

Players like Inzimam, Youhana and Younis Khan would not not troubled much by the likes of Harmison, Jones & Flintoff. Salman Butt is solid as an opener and Afridi is unpredictable agaisnt any attack so I dont think it would make much of a difference. As far as your comments on the pitches go, Inzi only indicated his intention to play fast bowlers who have been our main strength over the years. Nowhere did he mention what that we were going for greentops.

As we all know he has nothing but speed !!! We all didnt know Shoaib has nothing but speed. Take a look at Shoaib’s record, you cant achieve all that with just speed. Just incase you were wondering most top batsman would not care about a bowler who has just speed to go with. Shoaib is a destructive fast bowler with a very good record. His attitude over shadows his accomplishments but no one can deny his talent as a match winning talented fast bowler. And if Jones could be considered good then I guess we can put Sami in the “good” list as well.

If we play to our potential we wouldnt be in a “delimma” at all. We have a talented young side with everyone willing to give it all. Players like Rana Naved, Shoaib Malik, Salman Butt, Kamran Akmal & Danish Kaneria are maturing fast and along with proven performers like Youhana, Inzi, Akhtar they will be prove more then handful for the visitors.

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Harmison is not overrated. Infact, he reminds me of Curtly Ambrose. He has been performing consistently well and there is no point denying the fact that he will be a threat to our batsmen.

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Over-rated or not Harmison is a decent bowler but you cant call him very good. Simon Jones still has to prove his worth on a regular basis and though flintoff has performed well agaisnt us he is quickly becoming more of a batting all rounder recently. Razzaq did well with the bat too, but that was ages ago. Now he is more of a lower order batsman and a run container*

Isnt he now? when was the last time a pakistani bowler was rated no 1 in the world and had an australian not only praising and respecting him? This hasnt happened long since waqar and wasim retired.
Jones is well suited to our sort of wickets because of his ability to reverse swing the bowl plus he has got the pace.
As far as flintoff is concerned he hasnt performed with the bat at all this summer however his value as a bowler is immense. as you rightly pointed out he can contain but what u forgot to mention is that all this containment leads to wickets being taken by him because he is consistent with his line legnth and speed unlike razzaq. a point in case is the recent natwest series final.

Players like Inzimam, Youhana and Younis Khan would not not troubled much by the likes of Harmison, Jones & Flintoff. Salman Butt is solid as an opener and Afridi is unpredictable agaisnt any attack so I dont think it would make much of a difference. As far as your comments on the pitches go, Inzi only indicated his intention to play fast bowlers who have been our main strength over the years. Nowhere did he mention what that we were going for greentops.

Inzi and Yoyo will manage. By managing i mean they will get 4 decent scores in the six innings which they get to beat in simply because they are the only good batsmen we have. You have far to much belief in Younis’s ability he might get one century as he normally does in a series but we need consistent performances from players like him Salman, Yasir and Shahid if we are to succeed. Salman, Yasir and Younis are in the team purely on their ability to bat and they might have shown glimpses of their talents in the past however there is nothing which points that they can perform consistently in a high profile series.

As for Inzi’s indication to play fast bowlers why would he play them on a flat batting track of course it wud be on a track which helps them get wickets. this two me exposes us to as much trouble as we aim to put england in. this is a double edged sword we would need to play really well because the english bowlers can easily expose our weaknesses on helpful tracks.

As we all know he has nothing but speed !!! We all didnt know Shoaib has nothing but speed. Take a look at Shoaib’s record, you cant achieve all that with just speed. Just incase you were wondering most top batsman would not care about a bowler who has just speed to go with. Shoaib is a destructive fast bowler with a very good record. His attitude over shadows his accomplishments but no one can deny his talent as a match winning talented fast bowler. And if Jones could be considered good then I guess we can put Sami in the “good” list as well

Shoaib has a good record against the likes of Newzealand, Zimbabwe and West Indies hardly world class opposition. Now you would be able to throw in the occassional performace of brilliance against India, Australia and England however they have been few and far in between and doesnt really do his talents the justice. Deep down if he is honest to himself shoaib would admit that he could have done much better as a bowler. As for him having anything other then speed why dont u tell me what is the something else which he does have? a slower bowl maybe? he defineltly does not know how to swing the bowl let alone reverse swing in and quite frustratingly he hardly bowls to a plan which is the reason why he goes for so many runs.

If we play to our potential we wouldnt be in a “delimma” at all. We have a talented young side with everyone willing to give it all. Players like Rana Naved, Shoaib Malik, Salman Butt, Kamran Akmal & Danish Kaneria are maturing fast and along with proven performers like Youhana, Inzi, Akhtar they will be prove more then handful for the visitors.

When it comes to playing for Pakistan there shouldnt be a question about playing to our potential. These are professional cricketers we are talking about who have a job to do and i dont for one second doubt their ability. My point is simply that the opposition we are coming up against is as talented as we are if not better. we need to accept this fact and play to our stregnths just as england would in the summer of 2006.

At the end of the day we all want Pakistan to win. Its better to plan now and be prepared rather then cry when they come and beat us like they did in 2000 and trust me it hurt real bad seeing Thorpe and Hussain celebrating in National Stadium Karachi i dont want to see those scenes again.

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Pakistan’s Shoaib Akhtar says fellow paceman Steve Harmison is the key to England’s Ashes hopes.
And Shoaib, who spent two seasons with Harmison at Durham, believes he can be as dangerous as former West Indian great Malcolm Marshall.

Shoaib said: "Australia have seven great batsmen in their side and Harmison is crucial to England’s hopes.

“England have to get 20 wickets. They have to bowl really hard and Harmison has a major part to play.”

Harmison, 26, had a poor winter with England in South Africa but has returned to form this summer.

He has taken 27 wickets in the County Championship for Durham, took 10 wickets in the two-Test series against Bangladesh and 15 in the NatWest Series.

This time England have a belief that they can win

Shoaib Akhtar

Shoaib, who is currently playing for Worcestershire, added: "I told him a couple of years ago that, if he gets his line right, he can be a lethal and dangerous bowler like Malcolm Marshall.

"Because of his height, if he can get the ball off a fuller length, and because he gets extra bounce, he can be really lethal.

“But it is a great test because when you play against the better teams, it either makes you a better player - or you go down.”

Shoaib also believes England have a sense of self-belief that has been lacking in previous encounters with the world champions.

"England never believed in the last Ashes series that they could win. This time they have a belief in their dressing room that they can and that’s more important.

“And if the bowlers stay fit, I do believe they can make it come true.”

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oh so harmison is overrated...what about the bowlers in the current pakistani lineup (sami, shabbir, rana etc etc) they are supposed to be very good in test matches...yeah they gave us so many test victories in recent years :D :D
we have only one world class fast bowler in our lineup and he too has his issues and attitude problems...i hope these issues get sorted out before the series starts