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If you want to know the true picture of Pakistan.
Must see the Sama tv’s two programs of yesterday 9th December.
and also see this related news.
Intelligence agencies admit in SC 11 missing prisoners are in …
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In 1947 the reason why being a landlord was such a big deal was because there were not many ways to earn a large income back then. Now the economy has become diversified - new people have risen but most of the landlords have investments in property, business, industry - where they will earn money.
You may like to classify the people in boots as the establishment but you forget those gangsters in bangles who also ended up ruling Pakistan.
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have anyone seen these two programs ?
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I think that definition of establishment for Pakistan is a bit unfair as it assumes politicians, feudals and other elite grups are pretty much useless. he Establishment is a term used to refer to the traditional ruling class elite and the structures of society that they control. The term can be used to describe specific entrenched elite structures in specific institutions, - Looking at that definition the establishment in Pakistan would also include those landlords who have existed since partition, industrialists, sernior bureaucracts and administrators as well as the high ranking military personnel.
Most of Pakistan's current elite and establishment have roots to one place- serving the British. Most landlords and other landowners who hold/own larger tracts of land came about through their services to the British. Senior military officers, politicians, bureaucrats tend to belong to families which specialise in such professions - many actually cross professions ie an army officers child may become a sernior policeman or doctor - most have ancestors who have served in the British era. People belonging to professional job backgrounds are more likely to come from affluent backgrounds who rose under the British. Looking at politicians many have roots going back to the British era ie the ANP's Wali Khans and many elonging to the Muslim League.
The elite and children of the establishment are kept well away from riff-raff Pakistanis who are the other 90% and raised on a Western style of living. Parents send their children abroad to be educated. They think their children are out of the way of Pakistanis but they let them into another type of danger. Once abroad most of these spoilt brats start "playing around". Classic example is Bilawal Bhutto who allegedly had party animals as friends who were bisexual and he himself a frequenter of Gay clubs. That story was printed by the British press after his mother died. Imagine if he was really gay. Of course he will never come out as it ruins his chances of becoming a leader in Pakistan but surely he would have a hidden private life. Although, how private his life would remain is hard to say after all he has more or less ben given the party by mommy and daddy and he is of immense interest to the British and other foreign secret services. Imagine if they had photos and video footage of him drunk and in compromising situations with people of the same gender? Almost certainly he would be black-mailed into doing as other nations may want.
Many of our elites are basically raised, nurtured and coerced by their British and American Masters - our brave army generals, our democratic politicians etc etc. The Americans have divided all power groups within Pakistan - Army is divided into 2 liberal and fundo, the political parties all seem to need American approval and encouragement.
It pains me to see a nuclear country act so pathetically at times. I think it is something to do with history though - the Indian subcontinent has spent large parts of its existence under the rule of people belonging to other areas and they have a cultural inferiority complex.
This post pretty much sums up Pakistan's "Establishment." It's interesting that the wikipedia article mentions the Turkish "Deep State" which similar (Pro-Western) in orientation until the rise of the merchant-industrialist class from Anatolia. These newcomers (in terms of wealth, power) were explicitly excluded from Turkish society until they reached a critical mass and propelled the Justice Party to power. At this point, the old establishment seems to be receding (yet still influential) in Turkey.
I wonder if Pakistan has a possibility of such a turnaround where lower/middle class Pakistan born (not British India born or direct migrants) can reach a similar position? I think if folks end up bypassing the traditional zamindar/politician/army route and plug into the global economy (Offshore services, Media and Telecom) they would the strong potential to amass wealth which could be parlayed into political power.
Unfortunately I only see pockets of this occurring. I know a few instances of friends/colleagues moving back to Pakistan and doing extremely well. A friend of mine, Wharton grad, worked at Morgan Stanley for a few years and headed back to Pakistan and established an Investment House is doing well - he stays away from politics and focuses on building his enterprise but I could see many of his types moving forward in Pakistan.
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Can we stream this over the internet?
I am not going to be in Pakistan until February, would be possible to get a copy of the show? In Islamabad?
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This is very close to the original setup with Military elites functional or retired are at the helms of this ‘Think-Tank’ vessel. (Services have been the most ‘Consistent’ & ‘Trustworthy’ source of education in Pakistan
where 'relations through marriages or ancestral means is quite common like anywhere else within Pakistan. So why question it Now ??? Who are we dancing to now???
The training manual agenda of this ‘Think-Tank’ in index is true as well.
All this have been known for quite a while in the appropriate circles, and have been talked about as well without maintaining any secrecy curtain to ‘Its’ function.
Now, the problem is here since wikileaks have endorsed it in the limelight only now we consider this as a grand issue ?? which IMO is laughable!
And the Second most laughable fact, I’m sure you all would agree, is that a country that seen ‘Military Rule Period’ larger than any Civilian Rule in its young age, can you expect ‘Zero Spin-off’ or any leftovers of Marshal-law at all ??
It would very easy to understand this if you consider ‘Services’ as a huge ‘Wadaira Family’ with some vital resources but has a common goal of PAKISTAN SECURITY. (With or without corruption element.
Peace…
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I am struggling but surprised.
Not available and no section of media quoted any thing disclosed in this program**Tonight with Jasmeen
9th December
Samaa TV
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The video upload was delayed. You can watch it now.
http://pkpolitics.com/2010/12/09/news-beat-9-december-2010/
But it is the second program not the Tonight with Jasmeen
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got it but spend some time.
http://pkpolitics.com/2010/12/09/tonight-with-jasmeen-9-december-2010/
Watch the above program and see this thread also
Whither Justice? Of Murder, Malik Riaz and Son, SC, Punjab Govt
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According to this video, certain organizations including SC are more powerful than the government, they refuse to get audit their accounts because of fear of being caught stealing or wasting public money.
A plane sponsored by some Beharia society, sent 293 journalists on free Haj. The plane was not allowed to land. Later SA imposed heavy fines (Rs. 90 millions) on PIA. This news was not published in paper or electronic media, as “chor machaay shor were on the plane”.
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Thank you, Anwar!
This is really eye opening.
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