Pakistan's culture collapsing!

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^^ There are going to be arguments when it comes to one political unit for different cultures; anyway, that's one good solution if implemented properly with strictness. What I am concerned about is one thing that many (if not all) of these cultures share in common - backwardness, a distorted view of modernism, and lack of the skills for promoting a balanced culture that is efficient in every dimension - cultural, worldly, and religious. Yes, while there are many people who have managed to accomplish that blend, the common image remains that of a confused culture... our media surely doesn't know how to cope with the situation.

Geez, why did you remove the text now?

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Pakistanis are going back to their roots...I have a dream when all pakistani punjabis on this side of the border would be able to pray in a gurdwara and run all the barbers out of business...I have a dream when all pakistani sindhis and mohajirs on this side of the border can worships cows and put all the butchers out of business...

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Nothing wrong with sticking to ones culture, Islam doesn't require us to become Arabs, there's a difference between being Indusian and Vedantist. Our past religion is just a part of our history for the museums, we don't have faith in it anymore.

We're still Indusian but not Vedantist anymore just as Iranians are still Persian but not Zoroastrian anymore, Greeks are still Greek but not Pagan anymore, Romans are still Roman but not Pagan anymore..

Why should we give up our identity? Indusia (Pakistan) is the cradle of the most anciestest civilisations of our forefathers, Indusia (Pakistan) is even mentioned positively in the Heberew Bible because the early Semites had trade with our country...

I hate Pakistanis who try to be Arab (it's not happening), Islam doesn't require it, nothing more hideous than a Pakistani wearing a red chequered scarf on his head, white dress and trying to speak Arabic that is extinct.

One other thing I hate is people trying to be Indian or Hindu, for one the ancestors of Pakistanis didn't follow the Indian Gangatic/Dravidianised Hinduism instead they followed its Pakistani predecessor-religion Vedantism and only later did some convert to Gangatic/Dravidianised forms of Hinduism (it wasn’t the original religion of our region) and religions such as Buddhism which they saw as different from Hinduism (even though Hindus like to pretend Buddhism is Hinduism just because Siddharth was an ex-Hindu Kshtry).

Even the Pakistani Hindus look quite different from most Indians, look at the Kapoor family of Bollywood who originate from our region, Kareena and Karishma Kapoor look like typical Paki lasses.. The only Paki Hindus who look Indian are those that had their roots in the Ganagtic valley and migrated to our regions during Sikh rule or earlier.

We might be fellow South-Asians being in the same geographical location and our languages/cultures are related because they copied us but we're a separate nation, similar but not the same and what's more we're racially quite distinct, yes we're both darkish but there's more to race than complexion, I was reading my mothers fashion magazines earlier, one was Indian and the other Pakistani, you could tell that the Pakistani models were far prettier from a mile away (high cheek bones, straight long noses, high/wide forehead whilst the Indian girls looked like old grannies without any cheekbones, there eyes/hair were the only pretty thing about them probably due to champissage and coconut oil...

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^^ Hey cut the Indian part out. We are incoherent, we don't know how to interpret our culture in today's modern world. And as far as looks and ethnicity are concerned, yes we are pretty much from the same race. And maybe Pakistanis do on average look better than Indians--but not when it comes to actresses (Aishwarya Rai and Reema, gimme a break)

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You are an imbecile who has no knowledge of history, your world probably revolves around Bollywood, get a life man.

Listen son, Bollywood is not the real India, the real India is no where near as glamorous as Bollywood, real India is poverty and filth (bhookey, nangey, gandey), by buying Indian films we are supporting this glamorous image of our enemy.

Most of the prominent Bollywood artists both past and present such as the Kapoors, Khans, Hashmis, Abrahams, Moreas etc. have foreign non-Indian roots be they Pakistani, Afghan, Persian, Italian, Hebrew, Arab etc.

I'll agree with you that Reema is a lil overweight and a lil old now but Aishwariya is no stunner, at first I liked her but now I'm sick of seeing her, her eyes are the only pretty thing about her but other than that she looks like a typical Tamil girl, sab makeup/camera/lighting ka kamaal, Paki girls are naturally far hotter.. Have you ever seen Paki drama-serials?? Those girls piss over Indian girls despite our equipment/makeup-artists being no where near as advanced as them..

We're not racially the same as most Indians (remember most Indians look nothing like Bollywood artists who look more Pakistani), if anything we are only racially same as NW-Indians such as the Sikhs.... We are an Aryo-Dravidian amalgam whilst Indians are mostly pure Dravidians who adopted Aryan language and religion.

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PP,
Each and every post of yours showcases a muck in your thinking. You nick seems to be an indication of that. Learn to gain emotional maturity my dear friend. People with your kind of mindset spoil a community and a spoiled community spolis a nation.

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We are incoherent, we don't know how to interpret our culture in today's modern world.
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Care to elaborate??? Every society finds it hard to try and maintain a healthy balance in the face of new cultures.... Look at Iranians, Turks or Arabs, they had the most beautiful and rich cultures but they left them for boring/dull/bland Western culture and are always trying to be White... Similarly Indians always copied whoever they saw as a superpower..

I think we Pakis are keeping a good balance so far, change is good if it's positive, we can become technologically adavanced and still retain the nice things in our culture: language, cusine, clothes, architecture, arts etc. that have come to be associated with our region and stay true to our values which come from our religion.. Our culture doesn't promote confusion, there is no clash between being Pakistani and Muslim or being these two and modern, embracing the good from other socities doesn't make you loose your identity or history.

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Those who are truly modern get to define what is and is not modern, no matter how their notions of modernity enrage those others who think themselves to be modern.

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Have you even seen her real eyes? I dont think anyone has, except for a few older pics. She wears blue or green contact lenses. She's very average, and a bit overweight I think recently.

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PP is correct in what he says. You'll probably find it out eventually. You've just been brainwashed, but I think you're 15 so you have time to unbrainwash yourself. Just remember India is the centre of Dravidiana, Pakistan is a mix but at base is central asian. India, Iran etc try and claim to be central asian, but genetics has disproved this.

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^^ Well yea if I’m 15 or so then it is the perfect time for me to open up my mind, because later it might not be possible (take PP for an example). Dunno what do you mean by brainwashed, and how am I brainwashed?

Looky looky, who’s talkin’. Chill out guy. If I have an opinion and you think it’s wrong, it’s not the end of the world… so take it easy bud. Perhaps you’re a bit too loyal to your nick. Anyhow, I honestly didn’t give a sh!t about all the Indian actresses/drama crap you wrote… it proves that you are the one who is lost in this Bollywood/beauty garbage and not me (unlike you said). Oh and in case you’re boiling right now, that comment about the actresses was just a sidenote… nothing focal alright. The focal point is what you quoted in this post of yours… so now let me come at your post.

I don’t know much about Turks, although I did have Iranian guys in my school in Dubai who were exactly like the guys you find here in Canada - both in style and looks.
But I don’t get how the Indians and Arabs left their culture. I mean apart from Lebanese/Syrians etc. (who are considered “Levantine”), you will almost never see an Arab guy in his homeland who isn’t wearing his national clothes (kandura whatever)… not to mention the women; even in the more liberal states like U.A.E. And have a look at our country, we have people in Karachi who wear tight jeans in the sweltering summers just to look “advanced” or something (even though that’s now old even in Pakistan).

And Indians are the same as Arabs… most Indian dramas and movies promote Indian culture, not Western culture. Heck, now they’re making films in the West to actually pinpoint how loyal they are to their culture - or if not that then - how beautiful their culture is. Unfortunately we are copying the Indians now… all that sh!t on Geo, ARY, and even a bit of it on PTV now… what is that? Indian copycats, what else. Firstly, we need to know that we’re radically different from the Indians (apart from looks and genetics) culturally, and then we must embrace our culture, and promote our own culture in the media.

I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry when you said that we’re keeping a good balance. To make good use of the time, let me elaborate on some of the points you mentioned:

  • Language: yea right, how many people on the streets of Pakistan do you see speaking - or even worse, trying to speak - in English? I don’t think many, right :rolleyes:

  • Cuisine: Well true, we’re pretty much the same here. I guess the people back home couldn’t tolerate the blandness of this chapter of the West.

  • Clothes: What in the world? I think I’ll just be wasting my time elaborating on this category. Everyone knows how Western the clothing trends in Pakistan have gotten. Jeez dude, you gotta think before you write.

  • Architecture: Apart from the old mosques and palaces, I don’t see anything pretty traditional here. Those Centaurus, KPT Tower, Creek Marina etc. I don’t think they look like anything we’ve built in the past. Take Burj Dubai for a comparison, at least they tried to embody Islamic patterns in the design. The houses on the streets in Karachi look anything like they are here except that they are bigger and have flat rooftops (now some even have sloping shades above the windows… traditional eh?)

  • Arts: Surely, our poetry and humor is way better than the Indians, but apart from that as long as Musharraf is there he will think of anything (whether traditional or not) that the media can do to spoil the public. Well we surely don’t copy the Indians when it comes to dancing, but when it comes to TV dramas it is a big yes-yes.

^ So judging from that I conclude that we’re for most of the part not loyal to our culture and our culture is still confused since in most cases modernism and culture exist separately, not as one properly balanced unit. Religion is a part of our culture but the modernism part disrupts that.