Re: Pakistan's Brave Armed Forces..
Our armed forces are anything but brave and only they have conquered is our own country and killed our own people on behave of foreign power.
thats not the case shamraz bhai.. I remember my dadajaan used to tell me that the best fighters in the world are between Amritsar and Tehran- Punjabi(muslims), Pashtoons and Uzbeks. Our armed forces fought bravely in 1965 adn 1971.
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thats not the case shamraz bhai.. I remember my dadajaan used to tell me that the best fighters in the world are between Amritsar and Tehran- Punjabi(muslims), Pashtoons and Uzbeks. Our armed forces fought bravely in 1965 adn 1971.
^^lol to aap hain moin saheb jinka naam gs par bahut famous hai.Ek janab ne to mujhe aap ke naam ka title hi de dala.
Sorry mujhe aapke baare main pata nahi tha, kyonki gs par naya hoon.chalo ab pa chal gaya aap ki yeh post dekh kar. AAge se dhyan rakhoonga :)
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The past of the Pakistani armed forces is marred with equally tainted character as present. Let's keep it for some other bull session..
I am just appalled by the fact that the defenders of the nation will infact turn out to be nothing but low-life opportunistic thugs. Where are all these moron generals who swore the oath of allegiance to the nation's institutons. Or are they so morally destitute that the only interest they have left is securing a package of handsome retirement perks, whilst protecting the leader who is hell bent with arrogance in destroying the country.
Looking at the feebleness of the current administration and its defensive posture that it' feels threatened by even the scums like Nawaz, I don't think it's capable of "enforcing" Martial law..the Supreme Court must make the regime pay for its contempt and hold everyone involved with breach of its verdict, remorsefully accountable
On 2 occasions they have held a massively larger foe to a stalemate. The facts speak for themselves.
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On 2 occasions they have held a massively larger foe to a stalemate. The facts speak for themselves. .
I think you hit the nail right on the head.. every tom dick and harry is an arm chair general on this forum.
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On 2 occasions they have held a massively larger foe to a stalemate. The facts speak for themselves.
Through badmashi and ghunda gardi - like what we witnessed in Karachi in May OR trampling over the Supreme Court's decision.
Yaar, yeh kahan ke fuaj hay. In nikammon ko sirf jotay paalish karna or jeepain dhoona he mansoob aata hay..challo jo aslahaa hay usse apni hee qaum pay chaloa..taqe loot bator chaltee rahe
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Pakistani soldier is desciplined & brave, it's the generals who are the idiots.
In 1971 war my relatives told me of an instance in Chamb Jurian sector, where a badly injured Pak soldier shouted to his commarades to help him, no one came because of the deadly fire all around. Suddenly, a pak soldier jumped out of his safe position and ran & picked him on his shoulder and took him to safety.
I asked my relative, did they kill them both, and he replied that there was no order given, but it seems all the soldiers paused in sheer respect of a brave soldier.
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On the issue, bar 1971 which was a shambless, the PA has never humiliated itself.
Please no one cite Kargil as all military analysis agrees that whilst it was a political disaster for Pakistan, owing to Nawaz's cowardice, militarily it was a success..
I don't understand the point abt kargil. I read (a while ago, probably Ayaz Amir but not sure) that it was one of the worst conceived and executed 'misadventure'. Have read in several other publications too, the sum of it being musharaf launched a strike in secret without informing anyone including his b boss and other agencies that had to woirk together. This ofcourse doesn't mean the army is useless bunch of cowards based on kargil but that its command structure generates people with a few marbles missing.
The cowardice angle is more from the 1971 surrender and the latest episode of breakdown.
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Abdullah K: I don’t know why are you so upset and blaming Pakistani brave armed forces?
Do not tell me that you are supporter of retarded criminals fighting Pakistani forces in Tribal area. You should know that peaceful Pakistanis have no sympathy with them retards and consider these retarded criminals of tribal areas (that who are fighting Pakistan army) as Pakistan enemy number one. If these retards and their supporters think other way round, then it is their mistake. Pakistani forces are defending Pakistan from parasites that are bigger threat to the country than any outside powers.
We Pakistani would join with forces to fight with outside powers if they attack Pakistan, but those traitors who live in Pakistan, steal from Pakistan and fight against Pakistan, are the biggest threat to Pakistan and should get eliminated at whatever cost.
Do not say that Pakistani forces are killing innocent on behalf of USA. If they were killing innocents than number of 160 million people in Pakistan would start decreasing, unless you believe that most Pakistanis are criminals so Pakistan army is not killing them, and only few who are fighting Pakistan army are innocent and thus Pakistan army is killing those innocents. I do not know how come you are trying to BS and expect that Pakistanis in their mind would accept your BS.
What you think? Are those that are getting killed innocent? YOU should know that Innocents do not take up arms against the government or do not force their laws on other peaceful citizens (Like Taliban in some tribal areas try. Like Lal-Masjid goons and their supporters tried in Islamabad). If they do take up arms or force other Pakistanis to follow them, then these retards deserve to get hanged. These F* B* have no loyalty to Pakistan nor care for Pakistan. They are agents in Pakistan of foreign retarded criminals (like Mullah Umar and OBL). They are nothing but traitors to the country, a nuisance, and ‘Pain in the Ass’. They are trouble makers and it is best to kill them before they can inflict more harm to the country.
These people who Pakistan army is killing are degenerates. They are dangerous retards and deserve a quick death for the safely, security and future of Pakistan. If they are left alone to live, in future they would become worse threat to Pakistan what they are today. They are not getting killed for sake of USA or anyone’s but for the sake of Pakistan and peaceful people of Pakistan.
If these retarded criminals want to live peacefully and obey the law of the country, as 160 million Pakistani lives and obey the law, no one would do anything to them, but these retards think that it is their right to make trouble in the country.
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Abdullah K: I don’t know why are you so upset and blaming Pakistani brave armed forces?
Do not tell me that you are supporter of retarded criminals fighting Pakistani forces in Tribal area. You should know that peaceful Pakistanis have no sympathy with them retards and consider these retarded criminals of tribal areas (that who are fighting Pakistan army) as Pakistan enemy number one. If these retards and their supporters think other way round, then it is their mistake. Pakistani forces are defending Pakistan from parasites that are bigger threat to the country than any outside powers.
We Pakistani would join with forces to fight with outside powers if they attack Pakistan, but those traitors who live in Pakistan, steal from Pakistan and fight against Pakistan, are the biggest threat to Pakistan and should get eliminated at whatever cost.
Do not say that Pakistani forces are killing innocent on behalf of USA. If they were killing innocents than number of 160 million people in Pakistan would start decreasing, unless you believe that most Pakistanis are criminals so Pakistan army is not killing them, and only few who are fighting Pakistan army are innocent and thus Pakistan army is killing those innocents. I do not know how come you are trying to BS and expect that Pakistanis in their mind would accept your BS.
What you think? Are those that are getting killed innocent? YOU should know that Innocents do not take up arms against the government or do not force their laws on other peaceful citizens (Like Taliban in some tribal areas try. Like Lal-Masjid goons and their supporters tried in Islamabad). If they do take up arms or force other Pakistanis to follow them, then these retards deserve to get hanged. These F* B* have no loyalty to Pakistan nor care for Pakistan. They are agents in Pakistan of foreign retarded criminals (like Mullah Umar and OBL). They are nothing but traitors to the country, a nuisance, and ‘Pain in the Ass’. They are trouble makers and it is best to kill them before they can inflict more harm to the country.
These people who Pakistan army is killing are degenerates. They are dangerous retards and deserve a quick death for the safely, security and future of Pakistan. If they are left alone to live, in future they would become worse threat to Pakistan what they are today. They are not getting killed for sake of USA or anyone’s but for the sake of Pakistan and peaceful people of Pakistan.
If these retarded criminals want to live peacefully and obey the law of the country, as 160 million Pakistani lives and obey the law, no one would do anything to them, but these retards think that it is their right to make trouble in the country.
ok - all you can make out of this post is some nonsensical garbled rhetorics like ..... criminals criminals criminals criminals retards retards retards retards retards killing killing killing not killing not killing not killing. And at the end, it is desired that people should believe all this garbage.
BTW - whats the definition of Brave Pakistani army ??? when army gets its rear whipped badly by the militants, it looks for a way out of this mess by making deals with those tribals. When the US swirls its dunda, Pak army goes and bomb some mud houses in the tribal area, killing few including women & children. When US forces attack inside Pakistan, army instead of stoping americans, tries to own up that attack by sending a couple of cobras that would fire a few rockets on the surrounding hills. And take this .... when the army sees a bunch of militia men, they surrender en mass w/o offering any resistance! Now thats some bravery we're talking about.
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ok - all you can make out of this post is some nonsensical garbled rhetorics like ..... criminals criminals criminals criminals retards retards retards retards retards killing killing killing not killing not killing not killing. And at the end, it is desired that people should believe all this garbage.
BTW - whats the definition of Brave Pakistani army ??? when army gets its rear whipped badly by the militants, it looks for a way out of this mess by making deals with those tribals. When the US swirls its dunda, Pak army goes and bomb some mud houses in the tribal area, killing few including women & children. When US forces attack inside Pakistan, army instead of stoping americans, tries to own up that attack by sending a couple of cobras that would fire a few rockets on the surrounding hills. And take this .... when the army sees a bunch of militia men, they surrender en mass w/o offering any resistance! Now thats some bravery we're talking about.
Now now, let's not forget that 1000 pakistani soldiers have died defending themselves against jihadi terrorists, so at least not all of them are bhagoras. But collectively, they indeed are not worth of the adulation thrown their way.
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Now now, let's not forget that 1000 pakistani soldiers have died defending themselves against jihadi terrorists, so at least not all of them are bhagoras. But collectively, they indeed are not worth of the adulation thrown their way.
soldiers around the world make ultimate sacrifice while answering the call of the duty - why do we have to revere Pak army as some untouchable holy cow. And lets not forget, no army in the world you'll find in the habit of making peace deals with the same enemy which they are fighting against.
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The depraved activities of this regime are many. For instance, whilst the bombers were on rampage within the vicinity of GHQ, the head of ISI was acting like a pimp trying to broker a deal with Benazir -
Through such crooked acts, the leadership of Musharraf has reduced Pakistani forces to a bunch of quitters, like we recently witnessed in the tribal regions. However, I must say that that was morally the right thing to do - which is to not take on their Muslim brothers 
So, if the Supreme Court acts tough and the regime has no choice but to clamp martial law, the sixty four thousand dollar question is that can the forces really hack it…? I need replies based on facts..
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thats not the case shamraz bhai.. Our armed forces fought bravely in 1965 adn 1971.
Bhai, they may have fought bravely, but we still lost the wars and half of the country in the process. Have you ever wonder why?
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So, if the Supreme Court acts tough and the regime has no choice but to clamp martial law, the sixty four thousand dollar question is that can the forces really hack it...? I need replies based on facts..
Abdullah, soldiers are trained to kill, and in a sense they're killing machines. Discipline soldier never refuses a lawful oder from his commander, and if push comes to shove Mushrraf may turn to that option. It did happen before. Remember Dhaka under another military tin pot? There no telling what will happen, but one thing is for sure. If cutting deals with BB, lotas and seeking help from Americans have not helped Mushrraf so far, res assure martial law is not going to help him either. People will rise up if necessary to take the country back from this mafia even if that means facing bullets from our own soldiers.
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hmm history can never be changed.. please go read abt the 1965 war here
and see wat pakistan ARMY learned from its failures of 65. If u say its a professional army it should have learned from its mistakes. but who cares ..u have the media and u keep beating the drums that u won the war..
yup rite.. so why in the first place u send ur army to invade ur own lands..and then this embarassment..
fought bravely.. YES foot soldiers do fight bravely.. please look at the stats of 65 war
India–Pakistan war of 1965 - Wikipedia (same link as above.)
1971 is a different story…:)… 48 is another story.. so is Operation Gibraltor..and SOOO is kargil operation..
i noticed another thread here citing Gen.Anothony zinni abt musharraf saying “i dont have anything to do with it” so please do read this article too
“However, some authors, including ex-CENTCOM Commander Anthony Zinni, and ex-PM Nawaz Sharif, state that it was the General who requested Sharif to withdraw the Pakistani troops”
hope that suffices..
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wikipedia is not considered an authentic link. Did you not hear the news recently how CIA and other agencies were found filling up these Wiki pages with propoganda. A lot of Indians who are not receiving calls in their call centers anymore start filling up these pages against Pakistan.
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wikipedia is not considered an authentic link. Did you not hear the news recently how CIA and other agencies were found filling up these Wiki pages with propoganda. A lot of Indians who are not receiving calls in their call centers anymore start filling up these pages against Pakistan.
Wikipedia is not trustable coz its not pak army's propaganda machine.
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^That's not my point of view. Wikipedia is a public encyclopedia and even you and I can go and alter the content of any page. It is not filled up by scholars.
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I am a freqeunt Wiki user. The 1965 stats show my case perfectly. Heavily outnumbered, the result is a statemate andt he KIA figure is only 600 higher.
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Bhai, they may have fought bravely, but we still lost the wars and half of the country in the process. Have you ever wonder why?
only 1971 war was won- In 1965, Pakistan was victorious. My chachu told me that Pakistani fighter jets shot down many Indian fighter planes in 1965. Infact, Pakistan captured a river or something from India as a result of 1965 war. Have you forgotten how easily Pakistani army topples Prime ministers in bloodless coups- that means ppl in Pak including PMs have khauf for our Fauj and I am proud of this. In no other country in the world, awam is that afraid of the fauj as in Pakistan because Pakistani army is tough.