Re: Pakistan's autoimmune disease -- Holy war
How can you trust someone to win the war against terrorists when they have grown ever stronger under this regime?
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Well our respected CJ was trying to bring in justice to an extreme extent - even that one which is not even practiced in the west. He put too much emphasis on "missing people" case who were merely arrested. But in the case of MQM - all the suspected terrorists were killed in police encounters (and that was necessary at that time). In jihadies case they have only been arrested. But this CJ sahab should also bear the responsibility of the events that happened in Pakistan during last one year.
That's why the EX CJ is where he is today. He stifled so much development.
Re: Pakistan's autoimmune disease -- Holy war
Well our respected CJ was trying to bring in justice to an extreme extent - even that one which is not even practiced in the west. He put too much emphasis on "missing people" case who were merely arrested. But in the case of MQM - all the suspected terrorists were killed in police encounters (and that was necessary at that time). In jihadies case they have only been arrested. But this CJ sahab should also bear the responsibility of the events that happened in Pakistan during last one year.
I dont get It. CJ should take care over radicals and allow police to use encounter methods to vanish them from our streets?!? We are not in the jungle. Rules and regulations have priority and there is no way to support mass killings by judges. We are not in the state of a civil war.
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People lets not get distracted, lawyer movement, chief justice’s displeasure, whether MQM is trustworthy or not, these are alllll just very very frivolous things. Don’t get trapped into it.
The real truth .. Pakistan is under attack by Taaliban and Al-qaeda, bloodshed of civilians is their most powerful weapon, prosperity and stability of Paksitan is the least of their concerns. wake up to the reality before the fire reaches your own home (God forbid). Think logically and do what’s right and just.
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wake up to the reality before the fire reaches your own home (God forbid). Think logically and do what’s right and just.
what do you want people to do? Take up arms and fight these terrorists? come to the streets and protest? write e-petitions? cyber protest? just what?
again the question is why is there such a situation in pakistan to begin with? why the govt and their 3 intel agencies dont catch these guys before there is a bomb blast? why these guys operate at will inside pakistan? you expect citizens to fight this cancer for themselves?
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Would you so concerned about rule and regulation, if lets say, something like that was done in karachi?
The problem in Pakistan is no one can think outside of their own box [biradari].
Okay that just SEALS THE DEAL… 
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There are more factors to it than what's been mentioned, although many points mentioned here are valid.
Great post by the OP, by the way. Flawlessly written.
Now, other factors that some of you folks are clearly not mentioning: The "jihadi" movement is no south-asia menace. Its not restricted to one area. It is global. And its being fueled by resentments from muslims around the world towards the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Pictures of ladies in burqas pleading to the American soldiers in Iraq to leave the men of their family alone creates resentment. And the fact is that war is not clean, war atrocities are taking place on both sides, and its hard to put your blame on any one side. And if we dig deeper, the real reason for these wars isn't to "share the joy of democracy" around the world; its to fight over dwindling supplies of strategic sources of oil. And that's not all. You wait. These glaciers are melting and global warming is real. Its one thing when your oil prices go skyrocketing high; its another when drinking water will become as pricy as oil. (Ironically, one of the religious predictions of the end-of-times in Islam is that people will hold wars over water, but that's just a side point).
Nothing happens without some external influence. The central control of this jihadi movement - Al Qaeda or Taliban or whatever - wants the Americans out. They want full control over resources they feel shouldn't be manipulated by "white people", and this goes back to the effects of a suddenly changing Arab society, where obviously, some people just haven't been able to cope with the social change.
They need to roost somewhere so they can carry on their evil-minded plans of taking over the world. Logically, where would anyone choose to do that? In a place with near zero control over the law and order situation.
And it just so happens that Pakistan hasn't ever really bothered to fully control its tribal areas, or NWFP or Balochistan.
So is it really Musharraf's fault? I don't think so. I think he just came into power around a time where these things would have inevitably happened anyway. He could very well still be in the army and Nawaz Sharif could be in power now, and it'd all be Nawaz's fault - bloody baldy creating these religious retards.
But that's not been the situation. Your jihaadis were there - they've been there for centuries gaining momenum as the Islamic ummah around the world fell into ignorance post-Islamic empire age. And as the ignorance grew and as the materialism swept into the hands of the few muslims around the world, and as we muslims keep mistreating each other (when was the last time YOU spoke to a begger or servant in Pakistan with the same respect you'd give your mother?), it opened a vacuum. And it just so happens that there is someone there to fill it. Jihaadis. And they're armed with money coming in from oil-rich Saudi and Arab families who will absolutely do anything to save their societies from becoming Americanized.
Don't bother playing the blame game. All this is so circular and so inter-connected. It had to play out like this. It couldn't have come to be in any other way.
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well said PCG! people look at jihadies in a very limited way they forget the past. they forget whats happening around the world. the jihad culture will not be stopped by mushy , bush or anyone else who tries.
until muslim countries are no longer interfered in and until muslims who are occupied by whoever are treated with respect - then this jihadi trend will be here to stay. to some he maybe a terrorist but to others he is a freedom fighter.
if pakistan is invaded by ameruica or india or whoever else is it acceptable that you who will fight for your country is labelled as a "jihadi"? its your duty to defend your own land.
even right-wing religious people i have met are SHOCKED at the spate of bombings and suicide bombings which are occuring all over pakistan because they cannot justify the killing of innocent people, school children in buses, people praying eid namaz. these people who are doing this are not just targetting the military. the army alone can not deal with them. it is about time clerics from all sects OPENLY DENOUNCE these people - if not they should be sacked or not allowed to teach.
this is not mush versus jihadi - they dont even deserve the word jihad. by calling them jihadi we do them favours. the media should label them BUZDIL, COWARDS - people who have not the ability to fight face to face like real men but cause destruction by hiding like RATS. Jihad is something else. Jihad should be against America not people praying eid namaz in Charsada.
it is about time that people from Raiwand and other religious seminary organisations openly denounce these people like they have denounced others. its about time people other than the army and liberals denounced these fassadis.
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Might I remind you how many muslims live in America? Jihad shouldn't be against America. Jihad should start with the true sense of jihad - struggle with oneself. The day I see muslims around the world actually trying hard to make an honest living for themselves, then we'll talk the war-type jihad.
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I used america as an example and it would be america invading pakistan so the fight would be in pakistan not in america.
Might I remind you how many muslims live in America? Jihad shouldn't be against America. Jihad should start with the true sense of jihad - struggle with oneself. The day I see muslims around the world actually trying hard to make an honest living for themselves, then we'll talk the war-type jihad.
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Has America invaded Pakistan?
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the appropraite question is - does it need to?
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If any of the trained soldiers turns against army, he is conveniently dealt with as a "traitor" Army is not to be blamed.
It only applies to non-ISI part of the army. Either that or army is playing double game of supporting militants from one side (secretly) and fighting them to "eliminate" them (in the open to gain global support).
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Give up and surrender and you turn into Afghanistan or Iraq. You cannot treat jihadis with kid gloves and expect to survive or win the war.
WRONG! Afghanistan and Iraq didn't turn into what they are by "giving up" and "surrendering", rather the army got dissolved when invaded by foreign armies and joined the terrorist militants. In case of Pakistan army has not dissolved yet.