Punjabi rocks :k: :k: :k:
Ah great post
When i was in Jeddah we didnt learn a thing about other countries. I was in a Pakistani School. All we knew that there are 7 continents.
Everything about islam was being taught to us and about Pakistan. Just to let you know there wasnt any other history about any other nation. I cant recall learning a thing about Saudia Arabia or Egypt there. And i have spent years in Pakistani School of Jeddah.
Sometimes i wonder if they have created that system for only women. So they wont be able to think outside the box. Sometimes i feel that education which has been given to women is being scanned from several angles before it gets in books. Each and every word should remind them of some sort of a cage.
I am not sure if i am making sense... let me know if any one of you can understand moi
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Well, I never talked to you in Urdu, did I?
But lat time I checked, Punjabi is not a national language of Pakistan, so not everyone is supposed to know it!
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Yaar, don't feel bad, but the point is there was no logic behind making Urdu the national language when most of the natives of the land were Punjabi speaking. Yeah, it is national "imposed" language of pakistan, but out of 4, which state's language is that ?? None, cuz no 1 spoke Urdu at home in Pak before independence. As I always say, Urdu was and is an Indian product and we pakistanis have no business talkin in that lingo whatsoever. It is all politics bro. Khair, no hard feelings :)
I think the problem is not the material that is covered but how it's taught. I didn't even learn the history of pakistan when I was there as the books were extremely boring and colorless.
about the history of Rome: I think it's overemphasized in the western history books because European (and US) history has a lot based on it. there are many other civilizations (Chinese, Egyption, etc.) that were as important but don't get the same coverage mainly because they are from other continents.
Bazgha wrote: I think the problem is not the material that is covered but how it's taught<<
I think its both.
I agree with Adnan Ahmed's views about the importance of history.
Its a shame that its not taught properly in Pak schools.
The history begins with the advent of Mohd Bin Qasim in the sub continent according to Pak school textbooks. Stone age, alexander, Buddhism hinduism and other imp history of the region is ignored deliberately. There is a brief mention of The slave kings and mughals and then the main focus shifts to the Pakistan Movement and Jinnah. So much for covering our own History!
I'd like to give a personal example about the poor quality of our books. When I was in school in Peshawar, there was this chapter on the Balahisar Fort. It was a boring poorly edited piece with no illustrations to teach a student what it was talking about. It talked about the mud walls and the brick walls and the cannons and da da da and the gates and how it served as Pak army's HQ. A sentence mentioned the role of the sikhs and british in its construction. Years later i discovered that this one fort was packed with so much history! The fort was the center of intrigues and activity and had seen many empires rise and crumble before it long before the advent of Pakistan, But unfortunately as students we were made to believe as if the fort came into being with the creation of Pakistan!
i dont know how many of pakistanis know of panini who was born
in pakistano soil.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Panini.html
It's not only history that needs improvement in Pakistan, EVERY single faet of education needs bettering. Last time in Pakistan I was having a chat with MA English students, although I have only had English upto FA level here, I knew more about English literature than the whole class together.....
I think it's a pity but then again very characteristic of Pakistan that they do not look outside their country. I mean people like Plato, Seneca, Socrates, Alexander are all persons whom you should know about.
just knowing the events of 1971 by heart is just too little
World history should be taught regardless of any religious accomplishments. Telling history must rely on contextual importance. Various civilizations, for example, Greek, Roman, Egyption etc were great civilizations as an important context because our present world as whole has been shaped to a great extend because of them.
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AA, few points:
It's not like the US and other western countries are going around teaching Islamic, Oriental, or African history to its youth, mind you. I pesonally have always been taught only US and western history right from elementary school all the way to high school. It's a very ethnocentric concept that these Americans portray rather than aiming at a geocentric one that takes into consideration the study of ALL cultures and histories regardless of how detailed or brief they might be.
Also, I think it would be awesome for Islamic countries such as Pakistan to teach its youth Pakistani, Islamic, AND western (and other) histories even if the intention is to give students an all-encompassing worldview which may not even perhaps benefit them in any way in the future. It can give the youth an incentive to expand their intellectual horizons over and beyond the narrow scope of what they're already more or less familiar with.
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I did learn some Islamic history, but not much. Most of my early exposure was to the crusades and such. We learned about the Islamic rulers and the spread of Islam in High school, bt it wasnt very detailed.
College provided way more exposure. But over all, the coverage was balanced, so they never focused on any area in particular for very long. The idea was to give us a basic over view of what has been going on in the world up to now.
I would like to see atleast this much over view in Pakistan. Just teach them about the basics.
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Ah great post
When i was in Jeddah we didnt learn a thing about other countries. I was in a Pakistani School. All we knew that there are 7 continents.
Everything about islam was being taught to us and about Pakistan. Just to let you know there wasnt any other history about any other nation. I cant recall learning a thing about Saudia Arabia or Egypt there. And i have spent years in Pakistani School of Jeddah.
Sometimes i wonder if they have created that system for only women. So they wont be able to think outside the box. Sometimes i feel that education which has been given to women is being scanned from several angles before it gets in books. Each and every word should remind them of some sort of a cage.
I am not sure if i am making sense... let me know if any one of you can understand moi
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Thats what I think aswell.. Pakistan is totally afraid of having people think outside of the box. Go anywhere in Pakistan, and you will notice that the govt (or the powers that be) tells you what to think. When military is in power, you see missiles on every corner. Politicians have been known to control the Media for their own gains. The Clergy is obbsesed with keeping up the status quo. I think maybe that is why they avoid teaching history beyond that of Pakistan (which I have heard is also very distorted at times), because perhaps they fear that the people will start questioning the establishment. I could be wrong though, and they just might be lazy.
In know… Pak Zindabad:rolleyes:
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*Originally posted by bazgha: *
I think the problem is not the material that is covered but how it's taught. I didn't even learn the history of pakistan when I was there as the books were extremely boring and colorless.
about the history of Rome: I think it's overemphasized in the western history books because European (and US) history has a lot based on it. there are many other civilizations (Chinese, Egyption, etc.) that were as important but don't get the same coverage mainly because they are from other continents.
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I agree with that, but still, how many people in Pakistan have actually learned anything at all about Rome?
I understand that each culture emphasizes that which is most important to it, but...
Can anyone Pakistan even tell you how Islam spread? Do they know who Charles Martel was? Do they know how it arrived and spread in India? How the Shias got sucha strong foot hold in Persia etc etc?
I mean, we dont need a detailed understanding of History, just a basic concept, which seems to be lacking for some reason in Pakistan.
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*Originally posted by UnderCover112: *
I think it's a pity but then again very characteristic of Pakistan that they do not look outside their country. I mean people like Plato, Seneca, Socrates, Alexander are all persons whom you should know about.
just knowing the events of 1971 by heart is just too little
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Exactly, I think if some people were allowed to read Greek and Asian Philosophy in school, they would be totally impressed. I still get amazed at some of the concepts, which were completely alien to me when I first read them. (Philosophy is also quite limited in Pak, except when it comes to Iqbal).
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And i have spent years in Pakistani School of Jeddah. .
I am not sure if i am making sense... let me know if any one of you can understand moi
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Bibijee,
How many years u failed in school ?? Y did u have to do spent years in school.. ?? Arrey thats why I say, had u been a brighter student, u wud have made sense :D !!
i am in 9th grade right now in New Orleans; i go to a catholic highschool that is not all that catholic; private schooling here is said to be much better than private; as far as i know i think the teachers are just more payed and devoted in private schools. I am right now doing world history; and have done american hisory, civics, and louisiana history. all i know about education in pakistan is that my parents think it is way better than here. i think over there they have to do alot more memorization of the facts rather than read it and understand it. my couzins and mamooji think i am way smart; but my mom still thinks that kids in pakistan are getting the better deal. she doesn't really ever even look at my notes or books as to what i am studying; its just the letter on the report card that matters to her. i find it that the problem in pakistan is that kids are forced into memorizing facts and then just forgeting them; not neccesarily knowing any ideals or morales learned from anything. world history must be a subject they should start teaching; surely they do not want to be as narrow-minded about the world around them as the leader of this country is making the children of today turn into with his blasphemous freedom ideals.
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Bibijee,
How many years u failed in school ?? Y did u have to do spent years in school.. ?? Arrey thats why I say, had u been a brighter student, u wud have made sense :D !!
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i gave my akal to you - forgot that day *sigh ehsaan faramosh insaan