Pakistanis justifying barbarism

Unfortunately even after carnage of tens of innocent Pakistanis by Talibanic morons, there are many people in our society who still try to justify the attacks against Pakistani people. This includes Daily Jang.
These people are enemies of Pak.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Regrettably, there was some “deflective” journalism in evidence soon enough. One commentator said President Zardari should go to the US, stare President Bush in the eye and challenge him. Another seriously wondered if the blast might actually have been caused by “foreign” powers, a reference that could embrace anyone from India, Afghanistan, Israel and Russia to the United States. One journalist alleged that the Marriott was a target because some American Marines had secretly holed out there during Admiral Mike Mullen’s visit to Islamabad last week. A cleric in Quetta said he could not condemn the attack because it was a fidai hamla (suicide attack) aimed at “America and its accomplices”. A leader of Jama’at-e Islami thought it could be a sequel to blasts in India, meaning that it could be a tit-for-tat incident from India and not from someone inside Pakistan. It is amazing how these people are deceiving themselves and the people of Pakistan by not calling a spade a spade —Al Qaedi did it — because of their anti-Americanism, however justified that may be.

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The cleansing process should start with people like these.

Advocating terrorism: Ansar Abbasi

Ansar Abbasi published a fake news report about a US marines operation in Marriot hotel in order to justify the bombing there. Abbas Athar of daily Express has pointed out how this POS Abbasi is doing the propoganda for the terrorists.

BTW The US embassy has denied the original report

Monday, September 22, 2008
RAWALPINDI: The US embassy in Islamabad contradicted a report appeared in The News under the title, “Was it an attack on the US Marines”. A spokesman of the embassy said the report was baseless and contained many facts which were not true. He said the reporter should have sought the embassy point of view before filing the report that according to him contained allegations without any foundation.

The original nonsense from Ansar Abbasi:

Was it an attack on US Marines? Sunday, September 21, 2008

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By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Was there a top secret and mysterious operation of the US Marines going on inside the Marriott when it was attacked on Saturday evening? No one will confirm it but circumstantial evidence is in abundance.

Witnessed by many, including a PPP MNA and his friends, a US embassy truckload of steel boxes was unloaded and shifted inside the Marriott Hotel on the same night when Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

Both the main gates (the entrance and the exit) of the hotel were closed while no one except the US Marines were either allowed to go near the truck or get the steel boxes unloaded or shift them inside the hotel. These steel boxes were not passed through the scanners installed at the entrance of the hotel lobby and were reportedly shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the Marriott.

Besides several others, PPP MNA Mumtaz Alam Gilani and his two friends, Sajjad Chaudhry, a PPP leader, and one Bashir Nadeem, witnessed this mysterious activity to which no one other than the PPP MNA objected and protested.

A source present there told The News that after entertaining them with refreshments at the Nadia restaurant at midnight when Mumtaz Alam, along with his friends, was to leave the hotel, he found a white US embassy truck standing right in front of the hotel’s main entrance.

Both the In-gate and the Out-gate of the hotel were closed while almost a dozen well-built US Marines in their usual fatigues were unloading the steel boxes from the truck. No one, including the hotel security men, was either allowed to go near the truck or touch the steel boxes, which were being shifted inside the hotel but without passing through the scanners.

Upon inquiry, one of the three PPP friends who was waiting for the main gates of the hotel to open to get his car in, was informed that the suspicious boxes were shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the hotel. Mumtaz Alam was furious both at the US Marines and the hotel security not only for the delay caused to them but also for the security lapse he was witnessing.

On his protest, there was absolutely no response from the Marines and the security men he approached were found helpless. Mumtaz Alam told the hotel security official that they were going to endanger the hotel and its security. He was also heard telling his friends that he would never visit the hotel again. He also threatened to raise the issue in parliament.

One does not know whether the PPP MNA revisited the hotel after that mysterious midnight but his brother Imtiaz Alam, who is a senior journalist, was in the same hotel when the truck exploded at the main gate of the hotel. Imtiaz Alam had a lucky escape and found his way out of the hotel with great difficulty in pitch darkness.

One of the lifts he was using fell to the ground floor just after he forced the door open on the 4th floor and got out of it.

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^ No where does the article by Ansar Abbasi imply that hes justifying the attack. He is just presenting some speculations. Read some of the comments in this link:

What Was Mysterious Activity Going on in the Marriott Hotel Islamabad by United States Marines

p.s. most mushy supporters are now saying that the US is behind all this crap, so I guess they are no different from ansar abbasi then?

It looks like similar conspiracy theory stuff from 9/11 :slight_smile:

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Daily Times has also commented on this story by Ansar Abbasi. Mr. Abbasi fabricated this story in order to deflect blame and provide justification for the bombing, knowing the general anti-american sentiment of the audience.

"Regrettably, there was some “deflective” journalism in evidence soon enough. One commentator said President Zardari should go to the US, stare President Bush in the eye and challenge him. Another seriously wondered if the blast might actually have been caused by “foreign” powers, a reference that could embrace anyone from India, Afghanistan, Israel and Russia to the United States. One journalist alleged that the Marriott was a target because some American Marines had secretly holed out there during Admiral Mike Mullen’s visit to Islamabad last week. A cleric in Quetta said he could not condemn the attack because it was a fidai hamla (suicide attack) aimed at “America and its accomplices”. A leader of Jama’at-e Islami thought it could be a sequel to blasts in India, meaning that it could be a tit-for-tat incident from India and not from someone inside Pakistan. It is amazing how these people are deceiving themselves and the people of Pakistan by not calling a spade a spade —Al Qaedi did it — because of their anti-Americanism, however justified that may be.
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I’m not sure who reported it but one report said that there was a car that raced before the truck and sent out “warning/run-away” before the truck but after seeing the CCTV footage I didn’t see any car racing through before the truck.

I personally don’t see it as “justification” of the attack, may be the title of the news is?. However, this is worth investigating if there is any truth to it. The PPP MNAs must be interviewed, if the story is true then it might help reveal what was going on, if the story turns out false then the reporter must be punished and prosecuted. But then who will take up the investigation and prosecution?

I have another thread on similar topic. Ansar Abbasi published this lie about US marines in Marriott in Daily Jang. Since Jang editors published his anti-Pakistan anti-Islam theory in their newspaper, therefore they are involved in justification of barbarism against Pakistan and Islam by Taliban.

lol so by saying the Americans were involved in something heinous, hes anti-pakistani and anti-islam? hahaha

Mods, please merge this thread with the one created by Prince Abbas.

Prince,

You rightfully put Taliban as moron. Here are the reasons of Taliban's success.

Talibanic "morons" became strong because they championed Islam
**Talibanic "morons" are now being supported and protected because ???????

They champion a specific style of Islam.
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This tribal uncouthness has turned even urban and supposed to be civilized Pakistanis into the supporters of Taliban.

For some reason the tribal anarchy is widespread among many sects of Islam these days. And each sect calls other "moron" while fully supported their own style of tribal madness.

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ISLAMABAD: There is no evidence to prove that American citizens were targeted in the Marriott Hotel suicide bombing in which two US nationals died, US embassy officials said on Monday. “We do not have any evidence that Americans were the targets,” embassy spokesman Lou Fintor told Daily Times. He also said the US embassy and its Consulates in Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar had carried out routine activities on Monday. To a question, he said the US marines were not staying at the hotel but those working with the embassy security staff had gone there for dinner. “We have marines here in the embassy and they go [out] and eat like anybody else. But to say that the marines were staying in the hotel is not true,” he said. He said the US embassy regularly reviewed and updated its security plan keeping in view the ground realities but such plans were not shared with the public. Fintor thanked the government of Pakistan for helping the US citizens and other victims of the blast. He refused to speculate about the elements responsible for the blasts and said he would wait for the government to investigate the incident.

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Good call. Ansar Abbasi is the same liar who made up the story that Lt Gen. Shahid Aziz was anti Musharraf. His provocative headlines of US Marines being the target of the attack, while completely ignoring the death of 50+ innocent Pakistanis is the height of yellow journalism. His agenda was to divert the attention from the suffering of the family member of the poor drivers, security guards, hotel workers to US Marines whose families will be looked after well by the US government. Who will look after the families of the Pakistani victims? Ansar Abbasi? Another similar person is Syed Shehzad of Asia Times. This guy is practically an Al Qaeda spokesman and has been caught in many lies before.

There are many propagandists in Pakistan on payroll of Pakistani enemies (Shaitanic cult operating in Pakistan), brainwashed by them, or working for them as Zombies. Fact is that there are many of them on every public forums too, hiding behind their Alias doing propaganda for this Shaitanic cult (Taliban, AL-Quaida, etc). One can know them as they would never talk loud and clear against these shaitanic cults, condemning their actions. Actually, these people would always try to bring some excuses for them and in no way they would curse this Shaitanic cult.

This Shaitanic cult is backed by many Media Barons (especially GEO). Cult also have backing of many Journalists like Ansar Abbasi, Hamid Mir, Shahid Masood, Asma Sherazi, Kashif Abbasi, Mazhar Abbas etc. Along with politicians like Qazi, Imran, Nawaz, Atezaz etc, corrupts of civil society like Hameed Gul, Aslam Baig, Jahandad Khan, Asma Jahangir etc … and peons like Iftikhar Chaudhari, Malik, Kurd, etc plus irrelevant disillusioned like Wajjihuddin, Saeed-uz-Zaman etc .

Their first target was force that was opposing them in Pakistan, Musharraf government, a government that has military background and unity of command in the country. These thugs thought that they would get their corrupt puppy NS in power but failed. Anyhow, they did succeeded in neutralising biggest challenge to them (Musharraf government) and got a corrupt in power different to who they liked. This corrupt (AAZ with his PPP) opposes ‘Shaitanic cult’ but has smaller teeth.

Now, we have government that cannot be as strong within country against them, as government do not have that strong control over armed forces and are also worried of Pakistani propaganda machine that is controlled by these thugs. Further, because of weak position within country, no direct control of armed forces, and corrupt backgrounds of many in the government, present government could not get bold and aggressive when dealing with outside forces (USA, NATO, India, Afghanistan, etc). Here is what use to happen before when dealing with outside aggressive threat, something that is contrast to what we are seeing today, when first time facing foreign troops on Pakistani soil, Prime Minister gives statement that we cannot fight USA and President Zardari ran to UK followed by USA and we saw no statement against such attacks, bold or otherwise.

Now please see what we are dealing with and what type of people supports them. We should understand that the person who is supporting them in this video is not doing because of any ideological similarities, but because all such forces including him is working against Pakistan and want destruction of Pakistan. We can also see that those who are blowing Pakistani forces and innocent people to Shahadah are not doing that for any reason (war against USA or whatever) other than their own personal agenda of imposing their Shaitanic cult religion all over Pakistan in the name of Islam. They have made their Shaitanic cult looks like Islam by twisting teaching of Islam, so that most unaware Muslims get confused and accept them, considering that as their religious duty. [Video borrowed from posting of brother ‘Ajju’ in other thread].


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These thugs thought that they would get their corrupt puppy NS in power but failed. Anyhow, they did succeeded in neutralising biggest challenge to them (Musharraf government) and got a corrupt in power different to who they liked. Thus corrupt opposes them but has smaller teeth.

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Saleem bhai answer this, a yes or no wil do, does 'these' refer to the MQM party members who nominated the 'corrupt' for presidency, filed his papers, and then Altaf Bhai referred to Zardari as the best person to be the president? Please no lengthy off scale answers, a yes or no will do.

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Was their any statement from Nawaz bin Sharif condemning the attack or was he silent as usual?

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^ Firstly, welcome back :hehe: Secondly, NS is probably waiting for Altaf bhai to issue his condemnation.

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Why? Does Nawaz bin Sharif follow Altaf's lead in politics?

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being the 'alishaan' role model in politics, everyone should follow altaf bhai kehkashan.

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Sure, better than following Bin laden, Nawaz's sugar daddy and financier.