why are so many pakistanis being involved in terrorism these days?
i was reading the news on bbc about a plot to bomb barcelona by these fanaitcs yet the reaction from pakistanis is the usual in denial.
and why are there pakistanis who do not integrate into their adopted countries? instead they want to enforce their way of life on others, as evident in england?
i can just read the posts on this forum and see that this forum has become a haven for taliban and al-qaeda sympathizers, yet those who often speak out against terrorism are often banned while the ones that believe daughters should be killed for not wearing hijab should remain as members.
what’s up with pakistanis and their delusions? pakistani muslims have no problem mistreating christians and shias, yet they always want to act like the victim?
nforce their way of life on others, as evident in england?
i can just read the posts on this forum and see that this forum has become a haven for taliban and al-qaeda sympathizers, yet those who often speak out against terrorism are often banned while the ones th
First of all its just a forum I can't provide enough to be categorize as "heaven"
Second I my self was kicked out for open a thread about taliban.
So cheer up.
By the welcome to the forum:) hope you enjoy your stay here.
hello and welcome! i dont agree that its a haven for taliban types...I've met some really lovely people here and most seem "moderate" (for lack of a better term lol) there are people here who have extreme views and opinions, sure, but they really arent the majority. and heck, we "moderates" have some chance to show the extremers that there are better ways to handle things, yeah?
why are so many pakistanis being involved in terrorism these days?
i was reading the news on bbc about a plot to bomb barcelona by these fanaitcs yet the reaction from pakistanis is the usual in denial.
and why are there pakistanis who do not integrate into their adopted countries? instead they want to enforce their way of life on others, as evident in england?
i can just read the posts on this forum and see that this forum has become a haven for taliban and al-qaeda sympathizers, yet those who often speak out against terrorism are often banned while the ones that believe daughters should be killed for not wearing hijab should remain as members.
what's up with pakistanis and their delusions? pakistani muslims have no problem mistreating christians and shias, yet they always want to act like the victim?
The minds of illiterate villagers have been polluted by the scum from across the border in afghanistan. that is why we see names of Pakistanis. Also so many of the thankless afghan refugees had obtained Pakistani citizenship that now when they get caught you see Pakistani passport. Rest of the Pakistanis are fine alhumdulillah, unlike hazaras and others in Afghanistan.
So long as the world turns a blind eye to the oppression placed upon this earth by violent regimes, and the injustice spread throughout. So long will animosity spread.
You think its only Pakistan? What about 67 other countris who are suffering at the hands of the same oppressors?
Only a few are willing to stand up.
How could we have gotten so blind to even ASK this question.
and why are there pakistanis who do not integrate into their adopted countries? instead they want to enforce their way of life on others, as evident in england?
I don't know, do you know?
[quote] i can just read the posts on this forum and see that this forum has become a haven for taliban and al-qaeda sympathizers, yet those who often speak out against terrorism are often banned while the ones that believe daughters should be killed for not wearing hijab should remain as members.
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May be you just read selective posts or read posts with preconcieved notion that this board is full of Taliban and Alaeda sympathisers.
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what's up with pakistanis and their delusions? pakistani muslims have no problem mistreating christians and shias, yet they always want to act like the victim?
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Pakistanis also living harmoniously with Christians and Shias... there are troublemakers, yes.
If you feel someone's comments are out of line, as some examples you've mentioned, then report those posts by PM'ing the moderator of the forum. I wouldn't say they've been given a haven, but that sometimes comments get missed, as the moderator can't read everyhing. So send them a PM and follow up.
As far as Pakistanis being involved in terrorist acts, I'd also say that you don't know if you're dealing with an Afghani, or part-arab holding Pakistani citizenship, or having some past based in Pakistan. Doesn't mean this is a Pakistan issue per se. Secondly, there are some sympathetics of the Taliban and Al Qaeda on the forum, and as such their comments really should be checked and challenged and reported whenever possible. As to why they feel the way they do? Its because they feel victimized by the West - they see much destruction and problems in the muslim world and they will NOT accept that its been done by muslims; rather they complain that the Big Bad West did it.
WHATEVER. These same people feel that by suicide bombings, etc somehow things will get better for muslims. They wont. And its just making us look worse and worse.
Hazara bhai these may not be necessarily Pakistanies. These can be afghans who got Pakistani passports. Quite off and on, they hang Pakistani drug smugglars in KSA but they are mostly afghans with Pakistani passports.
Oh comon. I understand those things happening once in a while, but lets be honest. Pakistanis are often prime suspects in many criminal situations abroad and in Pakistan. The culture of violence is rampant in Pakistan - every kid is exposed to it, and our great honorable niqaabi mothers who are (according to recent developments in the religion forum) the best examples for women around the world ... have FAILED to control their kids' violent behaviors. Couple it with poverty and frustration (and then I wonder why poor peaceful buddhist monks aren't violent?), and the systematic brainwashing done by intelligent folks who know how to manipulate religion --> you get a nation that to some exttent sympathizes with terrorists and to some extent volunteers an arm and a leg for them.
To solve the problem, lets admit the facts. Terrorism has become a challenge for Pakistanis. Some participate in it. Some fund it. Some support it morally. Some preach in support for it. And many others just don't do enough to stop it.
Well by that logic, that makes you a prime suspect as well. I don't suppose you would expect others to have sympathy for you because you were against it all along?
Not ALL pakistani are terror sympathizers. Some maybe, many yes maybe even that (given the benefit of doubt). But ALL c'mooon...
Anyone with Pakistani passport is to be considered Pakistani, that's the law. Now how do these nonpakistani get green passports is another thing. So it's not necessarily people of the pakistani origin per se that are involved in it all as a whole population...that's just pathetic to say all pakistani sympathize with taliban.
Yes i do agree there are issues of the mindset and belief-system that may further people from the truth and sympathize or be manipulated into believing that suicide bombing, etc is indeed a Jihad. But it is NOT. Most people that i know are average middle-class pakistanis that just want to earn an honest living and live in peace, including those in Pakistan.
It's not that you speak out against it that iches people. It's your pointing fingers at certain people and saying He's one of them and He and He.
That is not nice. You wanna debate, fine debate. That's totally cool but when you start pointing fingers (as if you're any better than others), then that's considered a personal attack and no one appreciates that. Besides you think what you say is a fact, when often it's just your opinion.
There's much room for correction and learning in all of us.
Oh comon. I understand those things happening once in a while, but lets be honest. Pakistanis are often prime suspects in many criminal situations abroad and in Pakistan. The culture of violence is rampant in Pakistan - every kid is exposed to it, and our great honorable niqaabi mothers who are (according to recent developments in the religion forum) the best examples for women around the world ... have FAILED to control their kids' violent behaviors. Couple it with poverty and frustration (and then I wonder why poor peaceful buddhist monks aren't violent?), and the systematic brainwashing done by intelligent folks who know how to manipulate religion --> you get a nation that to some exttent sympathizes with terrorists and to some extent volunteers an arm and a leg for them.
To solve the problem, lets admit the facts. Terrorism has become a challenge for Pakistanis. Some participate in it. Some fund it. Some support it morally. Some preach in support for it. And many others just don't do enough to stop it.
Hate to say it, but its true.
It's pretty clear from that, that you think all Pakistanis. Unless you assume others will think the opposite, but then again you do assume alot.
And because you said Pakistanis are often prime suspects, that's why i said that includes you as well then.
Nope. Read my commens again. I have used the term "Some" quite generously.
"often" is again, not "always".
Really big differences in the wordings, my friend, very big differences. I choose my words carefully, because no, I dont think everyone is a terrorist if they're from Pakistan. I ain't one. And I can count many more who aren't. In fact, I'd say a good chunk of Pakistan doesn't give *^%$ about terrorists, and them jerks know it - they wont come out of their holes from the tribal areas to really preach their bull to the rest of the country - they'd get smacked around with gandhay badboo walay jhootay.
Regardless, people need to do more to speak out ag/ it. You'd think with all the suicide bombings, at his point the community would be like "Ok, enough is enough." I haven't seen much of that. I mean, if your media channels were so wonderful, they'd report that left and right, no? Or do those news stories just not sell enough?