Seems like Pakistanis never cared about the third holiest place. If they did, they would have found a way to visit the mosque.
PalestinianA visa won’t be available for another 20 years. So Pakistan should establish diplomatic links with Israel. This will remove the travel restrictions and Pakistanis will be able to offer prayers in the Aqsa mosque.
I agree!
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Seems like Pakistanis never cared about the third holiest place. If they did, they would have found a way to visit the mosque.
PalestinianA visa won't be available for another 20 years. So Pakistan should establish diplomatic links with Israel. This will remove the travel restrictions and Pakistanis will be able to offer prayers in the Aqsa mosque.
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Even it was available it would (and if it is not it should) be part of Israeli Jerusalem (due to demographics). I agree as well.
My first passport that was issued in 1968 had this written "To all countries of the world, except Israel". I always found that annoying that being a citizen of the world I was not allowed to eneter a country because of my gov'ts stance.
"I say mr Gorbachov tear down those walls"
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....."I say mr Gorbachov tear down those walls"
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Well said!
In this case it would be " O Pakistani MAToos tear down these walls" and quit doing the hujra-bazi. Allah's curse the "AIDS" is going to get you.
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Seems like Pakistanis never cared about the third holiest place. If they did, they would have found a way to visit the mosque.
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Is that your definition of "caring"?
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PalestinianA visa won't be available for another 20 years. So Pakistan should establish diplomatic links with Israel. This will remove the travel restrictions and Pakistanis will be able to offer prayers in the Aqsa mosque.
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That is not a good enough reason to establish diplomatic ties... there should be more substance to it than that. Relationships should be normalized with all nations but with a broader picture in mind and in the interest of Islam and Pakistan ...
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Seems like Pakistanis never cared about the third holiest place. If they did, they would have found a way to visit the mosque.
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....Is that your definition of "caring"?
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How else you care about a holy shrine? I don't think Muslims are capable enough to send robots there, yet!
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...That is not a good enough reason to establish diplomatic ties......
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Well that's your opinion and I agree to disagree.
Idiot FOBS, the blood of one Palestinian Muslim is more sacred than the Aqsa Mosque..
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How else you care about a holy shrine? I don't think Muslims are capable enough to send robots there, yet!
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lemme answer u by posing a question... how do you care about your beloved country? is it just by offering prayers on its land? or is there more to it than that?
and what the hec robots have to do with this?
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lemme answer u by posing a question... how do you care about your beloved country?....
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Good question Chachoo!
You care about your favorite place (country, Qibla #1, or #2, or your home, etc.) by being there when it needs you.
Aqsa needs Pakistanis who are tolerant, truthful, and trustworthy. And yes Pakistanis have to be there to care for their beloved place of worship.
You don't stand on the boundary of your favorite place and raise mere slogans, even when the current "care taker" allows you to come in.
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....is it just by offering prayers on its land? or is there more to it than that?....
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Offering prayers is in the context of a mosque. You are right that Pakistanis have to be in Jerusalem and do much more in the way of bringing peace (and prosperity) to that land.
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....and what the hec robots have to do with this?
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That's for remote management when human beings can't enter a place.
Aqsa more important. ...or....legitimising a nation who occupies. it....
PAkistan has always supported hamas/alfatah...and that is the best a country can do....
Palestinians have never appreciated Pakistani lip service. Don’t know why Pakistanis are hell bent on doing that? Only 4 days ago Egypt signed a trade deal with the United States whereby import taxes on Egyptian products will be lifted if the products contain certain amount of Israeli materials (I think 27%). That’s the way to go.
Pakistan should support Bengali brothers if they can. Bangladesh is closer to Islamabad than Ramallah. If you don’t believe me, pick up a history book.
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Good question Chachoo!
You care about your favorite place (country, Qibla #1, or #2, or your home, etc.) by being there when it needs you. .
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By being there doesn’t get you too far… there are millions of Pakistanis in Pakistan and they are “there” but still we have major issues. And Palestinians are there but just being “there” apparently has not solved the issues.
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Aqsa needs Pakistanis who are tolerant, truthful, and trustworthy. And yes Pakistanis have to be there to care for their beloved place of worship.
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We need Pakistanis like this in Pakistan and soon… ask them to stop over in Pakistan before reaching their Aqsa destination..
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You don't stand on the boundary of your favorite place and raise mere slogans, even when the current "care taker" allows you to come in.
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Raise mere slogans ??? what media have you been subscribing to?
You have started to sound like a broken record … who cares if they have appreciate it or not, in this thread we are discussing Aqsa which was the first Qibla not just for Palestinians but to many Muslims.
I agree, Pakistan should support Bengalis, they happen to be our neighbors… may be anti can send some Truthful, Trustworthy, and Tolerant Pakistanis there as well on their way to Aqsa.
I don't understand this logic. I mean do you want to say that we should accept Israel then just say that. Why the need to bring in Masjid-e- Aqsa. On the other hand, please excuse me for my lack of ignorance, but where is it written that we need to make a pilgrimage to the Aqsa mosque.
On a second note, I second Chachoo when he says that inorder establish diplomatic ties, we need to keep in view a whole range of issues. Our interests as a nation and our principled stand towards a certain issue is moreimportant. Now that we want to reorient ourselves and are seriously looking for a overhaul of our foreign policy towards certain nations, I don't see there should be any reason why we can't atleast 'consider' establishing links with Israel.
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Aqsa more important. ...or....legitimising a nation who occupies. it....
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Hmmm! Interesting piece of logic from the land of King Lallu Parsad.
Let me understand, that you mean to say the "occupier of Aqsa mosque" who has been there since 1967 is merely waiting to be "legitimized" by bunch of Mullahs? Crows must be white in Bihar.
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...PAkistan has always supported hamas/alfatah...and that is the best a country can do....
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Another gem from Banori town mosque perhaps?
You want to rewrite history and deny that black September never happened?
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.....I don't see there should be any reason why we can't atleast 'consider' establishing links with Israel.
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Agreed!
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I don't understand this logic. I mean do you want to say that we should accept Israel then just say that. .....
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There are always different angles to look at the same problem. I really appreciate your views.
However my focus is on love for Aqsa mosque, while my detractors focus on the hate of Israel.
It also depends on someone’s ultimate goal. My ultimate goal is to have open access to Aqsa mosque. If we have to ask for permission from the "chowki-daar" (gaurd) then so be it.
I am not going to stand around yelling at chowki-daar. I'd rather go inside the mosque and pray for the soul and forgiveness of everyone including the chowki-daar.
I don't see where the heck this post came from? It just seems like a pretty cheap ploy to ask for Pakistanis to establish diplomatic relations with Israel. Though I agree that they should, simply due to the fact that Israel isn't going anywhere and not acknowledging that fact isn't going to change anything... It's the ignorance is bliss attitude that has lead us Muslims astray.
This really sounds to me like a stupid way of asking for it. I've read some of antiobl's other posts and I seriously think that he's just a non-Pakistani antogonist, i.e. Troll
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........ I've read some of antiobl's other posts and I seriously think that he's just a non-Pakistani antogonist,
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Ha! Mr. Samosa you just dropped your Khota (ass) in the well. What the heck you mean by declaring someone non-Pakistani?
You run out of arguments and declare your opponent a non-Pakistani or non-Muslim blah blah blah.
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.....Though I agree that they should, [accept the fact what Palestinians and other Arrabobs have already accepted]
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Good! Some of my countrymen do come to senses though a bit late.
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Hi!
I have a confusion;
why did GOD asked muslims to turn 180 degrees, while still busy in praying; a turn so that our front faces Kaaba and our back become undoubtedly 100% at masjid e aqssa. Are we muslim not over playing about it? do not you think may be GOD wanted us to really only use its presence to do Zeyarat.
It is my khayal. I am not trying to copy paste or give any Fatwa. I simply want replies, not abuses or any sort of copy paste.
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Hi!
no comments; shall I take it forgranted everyone has accepted my view???