where is pakistani men abroad to marry pakistani girls ? do you all
go back to villages to marry?
fork it!
pakistanis too, like indians tend to protect their culture....
from the article....
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"Here girls are treated as animals. They are bought, sold and even bartered to settle the tribal feuds," says a well known, independent human rights activist in Karachi, Attiya Dawood.
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ppl like attiya dawood who themselves come from bad families who deal with selling and buying girls do tend to generalize this and include others....
anyway such stupid articles have only one goal i.e. defame islam and muslims countries, thru sweet words....
Your fellow Indian, Matsui already opened a similar thread in the Family Affairs forum. As I said there, Kashmiris are very tribal and from what I know this sort of thing might happen there occasionally.
I wouldn't like to generalise though, that would be like sayingbecause some sikh guy raped and murdered an English girl then legged it to India, that all Indians must be like that.
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
pakistanis too, like indians tend to protect their culture....
from the article....
ppl like attiya dawood who themselves come from bad families who deal with selling and buying girls do tend to generalize this and include others....
anyway such stupid articles have only one goal i.e. defame islam and muslims countries, thru sweet words....
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i dont think it has anything to do with religen it is about the people
who want to marry very close.
The guy who wrote the article is muslim and i am pretty sure he is pakistani.
Its pathetic this was adopted in our culture through som e other culture...
I blame women who are in our culture and let these jerks commit crimes against them .
These sort of crimes occur in every culture i think ... For heaven's sake people dont blame others... for somethign thats our fault... Does our culture had such low values that it needs to adopt things from else where?
Disgusting
^ when are you going to get it through your skull that displacing blame on "other" cultures is not a way to deal with this. This IS your culture. You have lived there for thousands of years and are not some transplanted foreigner in SOuth Asia. This happens in all societies to some degree of othher. In this fk'ed up male dominated world, women are told to take a back seat. This is the ultimate tragedy, considering theya re a lot smarter than men. Stop blaming one culture while trying to protect the similar vulgarity in another.
Pakistanis abroad trick sons into marriage too.
Very valid point KS. It is becoming a lot more rare these days though, whether sons or daughters.
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
where is pakistani men abroad to marry pakistani girls ? do you all
go back to villages to marry?
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Thats the problem, many guys here dont wanna get marry here, they have girlfriends here, but when it come to marriage they want innocent pakistani girls.
so the girls here left to go for these desi lot in pak who get marry for visas only in most cases.
and we shud be worried about where ppl want to marry because....????
and let us all not forget that in Islam, for marriage the wali's consent is as important as the bride's....
which ofcourse is not something that rvikz or any of those Islam-free human rights supporters wud understand....
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
and let us all not forget that in Islam, for marriage the wali's consent is as important as the bride's....
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did u just make that up or you have any referrence for what you said above?
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
and we shud be worried about where ppl want to marry because....????
and let us all not forget that in Islam, for marriage the wali's consent is as important as the bride's....
which ofcourse is not something that rvikz or any of those Islam-free human rights supporters wud understand....
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agreed but we should nt forget that most important is consent of the bride and groom.
its a shame that we tend to give more importance to walis consent!
Shameful.
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*Originally posted by Shak killS: *
Thats the problem, many guys here dont wanna get marry here, they have girlfriends here, but when it come to marriage they want innocent pakistani girls.
so the girls here left to go for these desi lot in pak who get marry for visas only in most cases.
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I dont know about other countries but in scandnavian countries guys and gals want to marry here and not with some1 from pakistan/india .thats happen in my own family as well so i m sure about it .
It's not just pakistani's or indian's, here in Holland, you have mostly Turqish people and from Maroc. They tell similar stories.
I think it depends on where you come from, and what kind of family you have. I have family in different places in Pakistan, I've only been there once, but it gave me an idea of life there. Most of my family members in Pakistan live in Kashmir. And are happily married, of course you always have cases that don't work out, but most were arranged marriages, and both parties were consent. I have cousins in England too who married someone from Pakistan and are happy with their marriage.
My family is quite strict, religious, but still I was asked wether or not I agreed with my marriage. My cousins in Kashmir too, nobody in my family as far as I know, has been forced to marry someone else.
Of course, forced marriages still do happen, but less than before. And in the first half of last century, here in Europe, well in Holland anyway, marriages were also fixed mostly by family elders. It's only about 50/60 years ago that women are becoming stronger here. But even here, discrimination between men and women still does excist! Not just in our culture(s).
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*Originally posted by mehroo: *
I dont know about other countries but in scandnavian countries guys and gals want to marry here and not with some1 from pakistan/india .thats happen in my own family as well so i m sure about it .
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In this case I can safely say that you have either de-linked yourself and merged yourselves with your new realities or you have forgotten your roots completely. Its a condition when you are no longer in love with the region you belong to. The tragedy is that some times situation turn so pathetic that you are forced to think that your decision to be a complete part of your new realities was a wrong step. For example, remember those muslims married to serbs and croats!
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*Originally posted by sadya: *
It's not just pakistani's or indian's, here in Holland, you have mostly Turqish people and from Maroc. They tell similar stories.
I think it depends on where you come from, and what kind of family you have. I have family in different places in Pakistan, I've only been there once, but it gave me an idea of life there. Most of my family members in Pakistan live in Kashmir. And are happily married, of course you always have cases that don't work out, but most were arranged marriages, and both parties were consent. I have cousins in England too who married someone from Pakistan and are happy with their marriage.
My family is quite strict, religious, but still I was asked wether or not I agreed with my marriage. My cousins in Kashmir too, nobody in my family as far as I know, has been forced to marry someone else.
Of course, forced marriages still do happen, but less than before. And in the first half of last century, here in Europe, well in Holland anyway, marriages were also fixed mostly by family elders. It's only about 50/60 years ago that women are becoming stronger here. But even here, discrimination between men and women still does excist! Not just in our culture(s).
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Forced marriages have not been eliminated from any part of the world so far. Education and freedom has reduced its ratio and since this freedom lacks in sub-continent hence its ratio s higher.
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*Originally posted by Capricorn: *
In this case I can safely say that you have either de-linked yourself and merged yourselves with your new realities or you have forgotten your roots completely. Its a condition when you are no longer in love with the region you belong to. The tragedy is that some times situation turn so pathetic that you are forced to think that your decision to be a complete part of your new realities was a wrong step. For example, remember those muslims married to serbs and croats!
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how can you say we (desi ppl from scandnavian countris ) are forgotton our roots ?? when they marry in same desi coumanity ?that is just they dont bring Dulhay and Dulhans back from homeland anymore !!!
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*Originally posted by Shak killS: *
agreed but we should nt forget that most important is consent of the bride and groom.
its a shame that we tend to give more importance to walis consent!
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and it is a shame that ppl forget that wali's consent too is a must....