Pakistanis abroad are under watch 24 hours and yet they give us lectur

[PyariCgudia]

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I have heard of some of these communities of muslims in America. There was a story in NYtimes some time ago about a little area in Cali somewhere where majority are muslims - specifically northern Pakistanis. More on the extreme side, I'd say.

Even Coney Island in NYC, I thought was REALLY conservative. The culture consisted of a couple of bored maulvi shopowners not interested in making any sales and not cracking a darn smile.

Those stories aside, I don't care if they racially profile us if it allows them to catch crazies and put them in jail where they belong before they detonate something.

Look, most of us here are muslim, and by the way GS community is, most of us are normal healthy human beings that are living life in a healthy way. Extremism is not healthy. Its destructive, and these people need to be punished for their crimes. They want to kill "kaafirs" instead of preaching a message of love and peace, like the Prophet did. They have some messed up delusion that they're like the Prophet by holding all these "Jihads", but they're psycologically messed up people who need serious psychotherapy and some years in jail.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@Iconoclast

Pakistanis abroad enjoy much better rights than they do in Pakistan. Even if you are racially profiled, you will not be "missing" for years like it can happen to you in Pakistan.

Its useless arguing with likes of him. Give it up b/c you will never win.

[antiobl]

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@Iconoclast

Yep, you may be under watch but no 2 bit Thanedar will walk pto you and slap you on your face if you happen to be a poor Taxi driver.

Were you (or Are you) a cab driver and when did a Havildar or a thanedar slap you?

Why do you hell bent on spreading disinformation against Pakistan?

Did Pakistan do anything bad with your cab?

[PyariCgudia]

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Iconoclast is destructive in his comments. He doesn't seem to care that innocent villagers are having an unjust set of laws paraded to be Islamic imposed on them, and are being killed for not obeying like idiotic sheep.

[antiobl]

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^^ That seems to be the case PCG.

[Ali_R]

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@PyariCgudia

But I disagree with spending most of your manpower on manhandling the educated class. Instead, the people of Pakistan need to turn around and beat the crap out of the very police that is beating citizens up on their own streets. Send them back to their villages and get a police force that is well trained and educated.

How do you want to achieve this impossible task? Our police is 100% corrupt and every single police wala only thinks of his survival from one day to another day by filling their pockets under bribery, cant not be changed. Second question: Who is going to finance your project? THe government?
Our leaders with foreign education couldn't stop filling their pockets with nations money how will a bechara police wala suppress his desires for quick success in Police.

[antiobl]

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@Ali_R

....Our police is 100% corrupt and every single police wala only thinks of his survival from one day to another day by filling their pockets under bribery, ....

Funny how the same Pakistani-Americans complain about stereo-typing, and yet they lump their opponents with the same high-handedness.

Oh the Irony of Arabized-thinking!

[Ali_R]

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Funny how the same Pakistani-Americans complain about stereo-typing, and yet they lump their opponents with the same high-handedness.

Oh the Irony of Arabized-thinking!

Oh I'm sorry I should have stated 110% of our police force is corrupted.
Pakistani-Americans, stop assuming about people you have no clue of. I pity you, obl.
Go and declare Fatwa on your fellow Afghan extremist supporters, who are responsible for the mess in Swat and co.
Do something usefull for once.

[antiobl]

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..... Do something usefull for once.

I see that your responses are now becoming personal attacks instead of discussing the thread topic "Re: Pakistanis abroad are under watch 24 hours and yet they give us lectures on freed".

One or two rounds of friendly jabs may be OK, but you won't see me getting into a shoving match with you. So best wishes.

Peace and love to all,

Pakistan army officers, jawans, and other law enforcement officers

In memory of our fallen defenders,

Pakistan Paindabaad.

[Ali_R]

Re: Pakistanis abroad are under watch 24 hours and yet they give us lectures on freed

I see that your responses are now becoming personal attacks instead of discussing the thread topic "Re: Pakistanis abroad are under watch 24 hours and yet they give us lectures on freed".

One or two rounds of friendly jabs may be OK, but you won't see me getting into a shoving match with you. So best wishes.

Peace and love to all,

Pakistan army officers, jawans, and other law enforcement officers

In memory of our fallen defenders,

Pakistan Paindabaad.

Yea exactly OBl, you must know.
Barking dogs dont bite.
The NA supporter has spoken. Is that personal enough?!

Fact is, the way we have let Afghans move freely in our country. We made them feel confortable in our country and now they are threating and terrorising us and our people. Their hatred for Pakistanis is good display of present situation in Northern Areas.

I know we are all under watch and I'm pretty sure this board is under watch 24 h too. And dont consider yourself not to be on the watch list. It would be a mistake. It doesn't hinder me to express my views and opinion atleast.

[Captain1]

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@Raangbaaz

no antiobl if they have "guts" then they should come back to Pakistan and support lawyers and students against Musharraf. As them whether they would like to go to Pakistan and then they would reply "Nahin jee Halaat ..............". Flooding on Gupshup is an easiest thing to do in the world.

oh you are so right, since we live outside Pakistan we should just keep quite, let Musharraf do whatever he wants to do with Pakistan.... bhaar mai jaye Pakistan, is this what you want us to do?

sorry man, we can't do that, we like to call spade a spade irrespective of where we are, we love Pakistan and we want it to go in right direction... our physical distance from Pakistan cannot take away our patriotism/loyalty/love for Pakistan. We can't watch Pakistan ruled by a Saddam (not necessarily 100% equivalent).

[Captain1]

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@antiobl

Pakistanis due to **their association with Arabs **are under watch 24 hours. Funny how many of them love to give us lectures on Freedom of speech and other slogans.

Doesn't it make clear to you? Those who are not associated with them will not be under watch. Isn't it funny that you think everyone who is against Musharraf is associated with Arabs? Isn't it funny that those "associated with Arabs" are asking for freedom/democracy instead of asking for kingdom (or a dictator), freedom of speech?

In fact, those asking for a dictator's rule should be the ones questioned for their association/love for Arabs as almost all arabs are ruled by dictators and don't have freedom of speech hence they don't care about civilian's rights.

[Captain1]

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Funny how the same Pakistani-Americans complain about stereo-typing, and yet they lump their opponents with the same high-handedness.

and you on the other hand do not for once brush every anti-Mush as Arabized Pakistani.

[Captain1]

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@antiobl

VVIP culture? You know some Pakistanis get some starter jobs and they feel they now really really truly understand the West.

I doubt that you have reached the status of VVIP, so ask some senior Pakistani if he is a member of a premier country club. He will tell you all about the culture of VVIPs and in fact VVVVVVIPs.

So best wishes for your stay in the West, but do not look down at us. We have it pretty good as well and "in our own country". OK!

Do you read what you write? Even if there is VIP thingie in country club, any civilian who wants to buy membership can buy it, its not restricted to MNAs, families/friends of MNAs, army etc. They don't shut down airport, terminals if an MNA is landing there or departing from, they don't shut down traffic for hours where common man is dieing in ambulance waiting for the light to turn green.

[Iconoclast]

Re: Pakistanis abroad are under watch 24 hours and yet they give us lectur

MaiN kaptaan key hosley ki daad deta hooN

[antiobl]

Re: Pakistanis abroad are under watch 24 hours and yet they give us lectures on freed

Do you read what you write? Even if there is VIP thingie in country club, any civilian who wants to buy membership can buy it, its not restricted to MNAs, families/friends of MNAs, army etc. They don't shut down airport, terminals if an MNA is landing there or departing from, they don't shut down traffic for hours where common man is dieing in ambulance waiting for the light to turn green.

No personal attacks captain Ji. Why are you hell bent on distracting this thread away from its main topic?

FYI. The topic is very simply "Pakistanis abroad are under watch 24 hours and yet they give us lectures on freedom". As many detractors on this thread couldn't fathom a reply (because of their limited intellect I suppose) they started talking about VIPs garbage. And now you want to join the fray so be my guest.

Many in Pakistan are beneficiaries of relative stability provided by our army and food produced by our hardworking farmers. Still they love to carry socialist anarchist badge with pride while attacking the very institutions that protect them and feed them. This is the height of nashukrapan (thanklessness).

These anarchist learn a thing or two in the West and become instant professors of socialogy, anthropology, and economics. These poor souls never got into Pakistani upper class, and there is no way in heck they will ever get into upper classes in the West. So they just sit around sulking about this made up enemy or that.

FYI upper classes in every society stop planes, trains, automobiles when it becomes necessary for them. However you won't understand it. Sorry!

So I urge you to stick to the thread and if you are dying (just figure of speech mind you) to talk about economic benefits of staying in Saudi (where constitution is non-existent) or the West (where constitution can be changed overnight with laws like Patriot act), well do so to your heart's content. Still I urge you not to thrown black balls on your motherland.

Is that too much to ask?

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Pakistani Army zindabaad,
In the memory of our fallen soldiers and law enforcement officers.
Pakistan Paindabaad.