Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies

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Peace EyEsOnSkY

I'm sorry but to be convinced that a group of tribals can develop sophisticated methods, including bombs and plot attacks on Pakistan whilst the Pak Army and the US both can't stop them is too much to handle ... I would rather stay asleep it is easier to handle rationally.

Tell me that such super forces can't stop the Taliban in one night! Or are you saying that the Taliban have Divine assistance ... in which case should we supporting them too?

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When Ehsanullah ehsan the TTP spokesman claims that they carried out a certain atrocity in Pakistan than why would you deny it? Do you know more about TTP's activities than TTP itself?

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Once upon a time Talebans were Pakistan's biggest asset and were financed by the USA.Pakistan had the remote control to control their moves, their evey move was well planned and accurately calculated.Now when the interest of major game players changed the very same army of liberators renamed as terrorist and so does their mission.Thanks to out idiot, incompetent politicains and policy makers we not just lost our well valued assest but made them go against us.In simple they were the best gorilla fighters and were counted as Pakistan's reserved army.
Take it this way, a man who can kill his own countrymen, how brutal would he be to a foriegner.
Gen. Hameed Gul said: Taleban humaray bachay hain abhi bigaar hain, seedhi raah per ah jahain gay.

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interesting article

TTPs most lethal weapon

‘Denialistanis’ are all around us, they look, walk and talk like us. Most have a green passport and quite a few have maroon and blue ones as well. But what sets ‘denialistanis’ apart from the rest is the way in which they process bad news; ‘Muslims can never be culprits and thus the infidel is at fault’. From suicide bombing to floods, Jews/Hindus/Christians must be behind all such incidents, since they are out to destroy Muslims.

Who can forget the alleged absence of 3000 Jews from the World Trade Centre that implicated Mossad and not Al-Qaeda for 9/11? Or the ‘RAW conspiracy’ to malign Pakistani cricketers? Not to forget Ajmal Kasab’s saffron wristband which certified him as a RAW agent?

As things stand, Al-Qaeda has taken responsibility for 9/11; and our cricketers were conclusively found to be guilty. But despite these jolts of reality, what still remains is the quest for more denials in the face of overwhelming evidence.

‘Denialistanis’, it seems, view the world through a special prism; one that shows everything as a struggle between a feeble Muslim ‘David’ and a towering infidel Goliath. The eventual victory of David is foreseen to be the proof of being on God’s side.

If one is to look for a prototype of a Muslim David, need not look beyond the Taliban – ragtag, religious and ready for war. For many cheering them on becomes a religious obligation of sorts. And we Pakistanis did that cheerleading very effectively. At a time when Afghan Malalas were being oppressed and killed, and Afghan Bilours executed in football stadiums, the Taliban were ‘our boys’.

But things changed when, from being the official cheerleaders for Afghanistan’s Taliban, we became victims of our own Pakistani Taliban. Ideally the infidel Goliath should have been blamed, but instead the villain turned out to be our own beloved Muslim David.

So how does one explain that?

Accepting jihadis as our enemies, poses substantial costs for some. Because at stake is the narrative that fuels Friday sermons, shapes our school curricula and forestalls any cuts in our military spending. Any exceptions to this will simply rob many people of their raison d’etre. Therefore there is no other option but to twist the obvious and defend the narrative.

**Consider the aftermath of the Malala incident; first came the regular “who did it?” The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) proudly replied with a “we did!” This was responded with; “Who are the Taliban?”; “How can one be sure that the TTP exists?”; “It must be Blackwater.”
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Discussion is futile, because these statements are backed with total distrust in the profession of journalism, and an unwavering faith in the magical powers of video and audio editing. Media reports that implicate the TTP are declared false and video confessions are attributed to video editors sitting in Langley, Virginia. Interestingly, these resolute shoulder-shrugging-fact-checkers are usually the same people who embraced Agha Waqar and his water-kit with arms wide open.

The Malala incident was unique in the response that it got from Pakistanis. Here was a girl so focused on education that she defied the Taliban for it. A dream child for any parent worried about the education and future of their children, and thus the sympathy came pouring out.

It is exactly that sort of response that is needed to build a much-needed national consensus to tackle the Taliban. But a necessary victim of such a consensus would be the ‘denialistanis’ narrative, and naturally the big guns came out to defend it.

**Qazi Hussain Ahmed accused Malala’s father of bad parenting. The product of Qazi sahib’s parenting – Dr Samia Raheel Qazi – used doctored shots from a documentary to show Malala colluding with ‘American officials’. Maulana Fazlur Rahman brought out the surgeon in him to declare Malala’s wounds to be fake and her recovery a drama. With the leadership stooping so low, the rank and file of these parties stooped even further and launched a hateful smear campaign against Malala.

But Malala doesn’t pose the biggest threat to the ‘denialistanis’ narrative, it is actually the Taliban who do. Each time TTP takes responsibility for the wanton killing of Pakistani Muslims, it smashes the façade of an infidel threat and a united ummah, that has been so painstakingly created by parties such as the JI, JUI-F and more recently the PTI.**

Imagine how smug the leadership of these parties would have been had the Taliban denied involvement in these acts of terror? But while these political parties are in the business of winning votes, the Taliban are in the business of selling fear. Incentives don’t align between the two, as the JUI-F and the JI have also been victims of Taliban violence.

But despite victimhood, the response of JI and JUI-F has been very different from that of the ANP. Perhaps because for the ANP this carnage is a realisation of what Wali Khan had predicted back in the 1980s. But for the JI and JUI-F this is a case of the chicken coming home to roost, a taste of the medicine that they prescribed for Afghanistan.

ANP’s vindication and the religious right’s embarrassment are highlighted very clearly in the aftermath of every terrorist attack. The ANP is very clear about naming the TTP and the need for bringing it to justice. However, for the religious right even condemnation comes with reluctance about naming the TTP and often the blame is put on CIA/RAW/Mossad etc. The end result is national confusion in which TTP’s clearly worded confessions are ignored and instead, ridiculous conspiracy theories or the futility of a military response are focused on.

This national confusion is the TTP’s biggest asset. They can spread fear by owning it, but then don’t face the consequences.

The failure of our state in delivering these consequences is a failure of our army and security agencies. This needs to be dealt with as the failure of any other government institution. Simply initiating a new military operation would not do, seeking performance review is key in answering effectively to the Taliban threat.

The writer is an economist working in Islamabad. Email: [EMAIL=“[email protected]”][email protected]

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There is no denying that TTP is behind the violence and bombs and other atrocities in Pakistan.

It is also apparent that TTP is being backed by foreign agencies.

I don't understand how some people can accept the first statement and yet reject the second statement above.

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Because:

1) No evidence has been provided by the government

2) Why do the leaders of big religious parties come on TV spreading confusion after each terror strike?

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There was a time when I was a big supporter of Afghan Taleban, since our media was projecting them as the saviors of Afghans. They were the supposedly good guys, as they had eliminated 'poppy' from Afghanistan and brought peace there. Even their pan islamism was taken very favorably. I joined some Afghan Discussion forum, and was surprised to see the hatred of Afghans towards Pakistanis. I thought to myself that these people are ungrateful, after all we have helped them a lot during their war with USSR. Most of the people on the forum hated the taleban due to their brutalities and they held Pakistan responsible for their miseries (due to our support for Taleban). Couldnt really understand it then, as we were spared, it was only the Afghans who had to bear them. During the past 7-8 years, seeing the activities of TTP in Pakistan, I can well imagine the sentiments of Afghans now.

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I cannot comment for comments of religious parties and I haven't come across such statements that deny the involvement of foreign elements behind the violence but then I don't watch tv much.

I cannot comment on the lack of resolve of the government to name the real people behind the terrorism in Pakistan, however there have been many vague statements by people in government that foreign nations are trying to create trouble in Pakistan and even the Defence Secretary made a statement recently that the US is using the other nations agencies to help it in Pakistan.

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so foreign agencies are using TTP to carryout attacks inside Pakistan…:confused:.the weapons,technology theyr using supports that they’ve been getting some kinda help from out siders..

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What specific evidence is available to implicate a specific foreign intelligence agency in Taliban support?

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Peace ehsan bhai

What I know is that there is a person who is called Ehsanullah Ehsan and he claims to be the TTP spokesperson, I know that all of his footage is filtered through Pakistani/Western media before it gets to us. I don't know Pashto and I don't exactly know what he has taken responsibility for ... As his statements that the western journalists are quoting seem to be quite vague to me ... If the price on the head of EE is so high ... Why is it that he can't be captured? How can media come out from a confined area in Pakistan and people still not get caught? There is no threat of Taliban ... People are being allowed to be killed to justify sustained force over a region that is the only conclusion that arrive at ...

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By looking at which party benefits the most from the action. Taliban if they really did all those attacks then they must be stupid for continuing to do them ... The people who are winning are the people who need the war to continue. There must be a measure in place to ensure that threat remains ... So the Taliban cannot be deprived of their ability to make weapons and strike ... They need to be squeezed, but a channel must remain open for them ... So they can continue getting themselves beats ... It infers that there are people enbedded within the TTP who are not serving the interests of the tribals at all ...

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Why do Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Fazlur Rehman and others come on TV to create confusions and justify the actions of Blackwater? TTP being muslims cannot do anything like this. Why dont they categorically condemn the elements responsible for these actions?

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well for all pakistanis who generally support or do not look at its army and state as infidels, they also believe muslims can do these things because the state is doing these things all the time

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By this logic, since the breaking of the Treaty of Hudaybah by the Meccans though attacking caravans of the Muslims led to the total victory of the Muslims.... it must have actually been Muslims who attacked the caravans as they gained the most by it, in an effort to provoke the Meccans into breaking the treaty!!!!

Congratulations. Your logic can rewrite Islamic history.

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there is element of successful propaganda by the pk state and its western partners. when casualty figures of the opposition, and attacks generally on the opposition are reported they are not done so as a tragedy but a factual number which carries no emotional weight. in this environment it is even socially ok to not report on it at all, since its a semblance of normality. their deaths are a semblance of normality, its like a haze over our eyes. i think the ttp itself does not value the populous under the effect of this haze, and sees us as pretty much like cattle

then if we say ''we are not cattle'' then they will say ''decide if you want to fight us or not''. where we will say ''we cant, its out of our hands'', then they'll say ''see we told you you were cattle''

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Dear Hiraislam,

Do our governments not have the responsibility of bringing justice to the friends and families of those killed at the hands of these terrorists? How can we allow conspiracy theories to shift our attention away from the obvious culprits? Terrorist organizations like the TTP regularly claim responsibility for the killings of innocent. They have issued threats against our governments in the past. It is no secret that they wish to see us part ways for the sake of achieving their criminal agenda. We must hold these terrorists responsible for their actions. We cannot allow conspiracy theories to plague our minds and let these terrorists slip away. We must stay unified against our common enemies and refrain from indulging in conspiracy theories that shift the balance in their favor.

Ali Khan
DET, United States Central Command
www.Centcom.mil/Ur

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Exactly. People are right in that the TTP is receiving assistance, most likely from elements within the Army.

Do you honestly believe that people who worked with the Taliban against the Soviets suddenly broke ties with them? There are people within the Army and the government who are sympathetic to the Taliban, who view them as a force that can remove the Western influenced government, which any government that takes foreign aid, and participates on the world stage, has to be.

You guys asked who stands most to benefit from this: religious parties who think our government is not Islamic enough. This is exactly why everyone within Pakistan has to condemn these thugs, and put pressure on the government to clean up the army, and deal with the Taliban through negotiations or strikes, where appropriate. When people in the country are sympathetic to the Taliban, the government can continue to feign ignorance, and those in the army who consider themselves Jihadis can continue to operate.

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ghost14 what you are in effect saying is that pak army, of islamic republic, needs to fight Jihadis within itself first, then fight the civilian people who are sympathetic to jihadis and then go for the jihadis

thats got to be a type of bloodshed fueled rocket science

sigh!

why dont you disassociate yourself from pakistan, join some other community and apply your rocket science there?

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funny - a couple of years ago ravage said the exact same thing to shardmanny - dissociate yourself from pakistan and go back where you belong. back then manny pai used to claim to be afghan.

now he has claimed his jageer and is ordering ghosty out. yeh ttp walay.. :hehe: