Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies

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Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies

@arshad5

We are getting there slowly. You have admitted that TTP is supported by CIA. Then you go on to justify that support by saying that:
a) It allows CIA to get informatiuon about future attacks
b) Drone strikes become effective as a result of having CIA agents inside TTP.

However you admit that TTP is still active due to according to you lack of sufficient drone strikes to eliminate TTP.

Despite having admitted CIA involvement in TTP you don’t think that CIA is a terrorist organisation.

I don’t think that I need to add anything further to your views except that there is a difference between FBI having an agent within a Mafia Organisation and CIA having agents in a terrorist organisation. The differemnce is that FBI agent is not above the law, he cannot indulge in criminality or murder without being held to acoount by the law of the land. CIA terrorists are free to commit murder, explode bombs and indulge in terrorism. They are doing this in a sovereign country that is supposed to be an ally makes it worse. The are doing it in a country that fought for them and for peanuts made them the sole superpower is worse. That has been struggling for more than 3 decades with the blowback froms it support of the US. In return it has got terrorism, its economy has been weakened, its citzens have been killed, its institutions have been weakened. On the one hand you are killing our people with drones, one the other through terrorism and the balance through poverty. You have installed acorrupt puppet regime in Pakistan that has mismanaged the economy, looted the national wealth and increased poverty and inflation. The IMF has given them billions in loans which they knew would be looted and in return has compromised the soverignity of the country as the US does not need to attack Pakistan and can just destroy in economically.

Your claims that having CIA terrorists within TTP allows CIA to get information about future attacks would seem true only if terrorism was significantly reduced or eliminated, however terrorism has only increased so your claim does not seem to be true.

You also claim that drones strikes become effective due to CIA having terrorists agents. This would be true if terrorism was reduced but terrorism is only increasing. Out of upto 3,500 killed in drone strikes you have stated only 2 TTP members as having been killed.

Pakistan does have a lot of problems but the nation is resilient and capable of dealing with its own issues and addressing them. If the US cannot help Pakistan then at least it should not try to create further problems for Pakistan.

I have no doubt that as soon as US leaves Afghanistan then terrorism in Pakistan would also disappear as the centre of gravity of terrorism would disappear. If any other nation had been through what Pakistan has been through as a result of fighting the US’s wars then they would have been destroyed by now. Pakistan is also close to destruction not through some external threat by internally through US sponsored terrorism and through US supported corrupt regime in power.

No we are NOT!!! getting there slowly. Infact we are poles apart. Your reading comprehension needs improvement if you think I have shifted a single iota in your viewpoint. TTP is not supported by CIA. I have never said that anywhere. CIA could have agents within TTP which rely their locations to Drones who wipe them out like their leader Meshud.

TTP is still active. Drones have heavily degraded the TTP but it still needs ground troops to wipe them out totally which the Pakistani Army will never do.

CIA agents inside TTP to spy on their terrorist activities just like ISI has agents in these terror groups. CIA agents answer to the CIA director who answers to the President. So unlike the ISI, there is a deliberate chain of command. Don’t confuse the ISI with the CIA.

Prove it to me that CIA agents have exploded bombs, indulged in terrorism in Pakistan. And how exactly is it soverign territory when the Pakistani Army can’t even venture there?

When they captured Raymond Davis, what evidence did they extract in which they could implicate CIA for terrorist activities in Pakistan? Please care to post the evidence caught from Raymond Davis?

We can all go down the path of history, but that is not what is up for debate. What we are debating if TTP is being supported by CIA. And the answer is NO!

And yes, terrorism from TTP has been greatly reduced. Before there were bombings occuring every other day, now its once a week but its being done by the Punjab based terrorists such as LET and LEJ, such as the Quetta bombings being done by LEJ.

US is helping Pakistan by droning the terrorits hiding in the FATA which the Pakistani Army believes it can regain control of and then unleash them in Kashmir and Afghanistan to continue their jihad policy.

These groups have mutated so that even if US and NATO withdraw from Afghanistan they will continue their war with Pakistani state until they establish a draconian sharia law like they had in Afghanistan in the 1990’s. Pakistan will try its best to funnel them into unleashing their jihad dreams in Kashmir and Afghanistan but I doubt India will sit idly by as these Jihadists pour in.

But overall, you have failed totally to prove with any evidence what so ever that TTP is being backed by CIA. All you did was give a long history lecture on how Pakistan did this and America did that, post news from “rupee news” , a stupid blog about how they found tattoos on TTP and uncircumcized penis as the grand evidence of CIA involvement in TTP.

Is it any wonder why this theory is so stupid that no Pakistani not even Imran Khan as propagated this theory because they would get laughed off the stage.